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Why exactly do we HAVE to hire English though? there's plenty of coaches out there that would do a good job and not all of them would demand much money in fact most of non-PL coaches wouldn't.

 

Too late now but there's no reason at all why we couldn't have hired Pochettino..... the excuses are wearing extremely thin.

 

This might be unpopular considering his history but i'd take McLaren over Pardew tbh.

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Why exactly do we HAVE to hire English though? there's plenty of coaches out there that would do a good job and not all of them would demand much money in fact most of non-PL coaches wouldn't.

 

Too late now but there's no reason at all why we couldn't have hired Pochettino..... the excuses are wearing extremely thin.

 

This might be unpopular considering his history but i'd take McLaren over Pardew tbh.

 

Don't be silly.  You won't get a better grey haired english manager with the initials AP and a propensity to say 'we was' rather than 'we were' you stupid no nothing deluded geordie, get back in your hole.

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Why exactly do we HAVE to hire English though? there's plenty of coaches out there that would do a good job and not all of them would demand much money in fact most of non-PL coaches wouldn't.

 

Too late now but there's no reason at all why we couldn't have hired Pochettino..... the excuses are wearing extremely thin.

 

This might be unpopular considering his history but i'd take McLaren over Pardew tbh.

 

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The people who run Newcastle don't tend to have much football knowledge so just use their mates, its the old jobs for the boy's system

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So Brett is excusing Pardew's football because he's English. Pathetic.

 

I'm not excusing anything, i'm saying this style of football is quite clearly not as easy to be successful with when only a handful of managers in the country actually a making a name for themselves with it.

 

Every fan wants to watch this exciting brand of football so why do the majority of managers here play ‘anti football’? Just a question, forget Pardew for a second, just think of reasons why managers refuse to implement exciting football on their side. And like i said, standard of players isn't really the best excuse when Martinez done it in the lower leagues, as did Rodgers.

 

You are excusing it, or why say it. You're more transparent that air.

 

No my point is it's easy to come on forum and say well let's play exciting football, as if it's so easy to do. Do you not think every manager would love to have their team playing this exciting brand of football. Would Moyes not love to see Nani and Young on either wings flying past defenders, linking up with Rooney for then RVP to finish the moves off in style. It's just not as simple as people make out. What if our next manager wasn't foreign and hadn't implemented this brand on football on his former sides, do you give his 'anti football' a chance or not? Where does the pining for this football end or do we carry on moaning till we get our foreigner?

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Hang about, Pardew has team of talented international players yet can rarely get them playing good attacking football.

 

How does the performance of any other manager absolve Pardew of not performing his job well enough?

 

Brett's clutching at straws, that's the ultimate conclusion.

 

I take his point in a sense, attacking football is not the norm. However winning football, more often than not, is achieved by the teams that play quality attacking football.

 

As Pardew has players capable of playing quality attacking football yet chooses not to, or can not achieve it, suggests he's failing in his job does it not?

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We were spoilt when Keegan and SBR were our managers.

 

Before Keegan and post SBR we've endured shit and, for the vast majority of our history since the early 70s we have been shit with shit managers, including owners/chairmen.

 

The lads who continue to go to games, buy shirts and continue to pay for Sky subscriptions and then come on here to whine about the shit the club is delivering need to wake up and realise that they are perpetuating the delivery of said shit.

 

The golden years will return, but not with this lot running the club. The only way to hasten the change is not to give the current regime a penny of our hard earned. They'll soon get the message and fuck off.

 

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I firmly believe that we should sack a manager and move on as soon as it's absolutely clear that they're not capable of coaching a pass-and-move style of play, especially if they have the right set of players to be able to play that way (and with Pardew, it's gone beyond "absolutely clear"). Otherwise we're just wasting valuable time and missing opportunities to hire up and coming talented managers with progressive ideas.

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I firmly believe that we should sack a manager and move on as soon as it's absolutely clear that they're not capable of coaching a pass-and-move style of play, especially if they have the right set of players to be able to play that way (and with Pardew, it's gone beyond "absolutely clear"). Otherwise we're just wasting valuable time and missing opportunities to hire up and coming talented managers with progressive ideas.

 

We're one point behind Man U, 16 points above third bottom and 6 points off 4th, it is not going to happen.

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Hang about, Pardew has team of talented international players yet can rarely get them playing good attacking football.

 

How does the performance of any other manager absolve Pardew of not performing his job well enough?

 

Brett's clutching at straws, that's the ultimate conclusion.

 

I take his point in a sense, attacking football is not the norm. However winning football, more often than not, is achieved by the teams that play quality attacking football.

 

As Pardew has players capable of playing quality attacking football yet chooses not to, or can not achieve it, suggests he's failing in his job does it not?

 

Yep

 

That's what Brett needs to understand, it is the point we're all getting at. 

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I firmly believe that we should sack a manager and move on as soon as it's absolutely clear that they're not capable of coaching a pass-and-move style of play, especially if they have the right set of players to be able to play that way (and with Pardew, it's gone beyond "absolutely clear"). Otherwise we're just wasting valuable time and missing opportunities to hire up and coming talented managers with progressive ideas.

 

Do you honestly think Mike Ashley gives two shits about attractive football?

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Pardew is doing exactly what Ashley wants, Safe in the league, out of both cups, spending nowt and touting our players around like a used car salesman ..........................he'll be here for years yet

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Here's the attacking midfielders, wingers, and strikers available to Pardew:

 

Remy, Cisse, BenArfa, Gouffran, Ameobi, Ameobi, Obertan, Jonas, Marveaux, Sissoko

 

Here's the forward players at the 2 clubs closest to us in the league:

 

Rooney, VanPersie, Hernandez, Welbeck, Valencia, Nani, Fellaini, Zaha, Young, Kagawa, Janujaz

 

Adebayor, Soldado, Defoe, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Holtby

 

Spurs and Man United have probably spent in the region of £80m+ assembling those players, and most of them are paid a fortune.

 

We have put our attacking unit together for about £25m, and have spent in the region of £20m on strikers since Ashley arrived at the club.

 

Pardew deserves immense credit for getting us close to these 2 sides in the league. He also deserves praise for implementing a style of football that has generally been enjoyable to watch this season. The ball is usually on the deck - we look a bit limited in the final third - but what on earth would anyone expect.

 

He led a mid table side to 5th in the league ahead of Liverpool and Chelsea, and he has also guided a strikerforce of Ranger, Lovenkrands, Kuqi, Ameobi, and Best to a comfortable mid table finish.

 

He's done a fantastic job for us on the whole, and doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for it on here, although thankfully the attitude on here is very different to the attitude to our manager in the stadium, where he has his name sung in the majority of home matches, and deservedly so.

 

 

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I take his point in a sense, attacking football is not the norm. However winning football, more often than not, is achieved by the teams that play quality attacking football.

 

As Pardew has players capable of playing quality attacking football yet chooses not to, or can not achieve it, suggests he's failing in his job does it not?

 

Yep

 

That's what Brett needs to understand, it is the point we're all getting at. 

 

I understand your points but looking at in that 'attacking' sense Moyes is failing at Man Utd and failed Everton since his successor is playing better attacking football than he ever did in all the years under him. Moyes has a far greater wealth of attacking options at Man Utd but is hardly setting the world alight, like i say, attacking football is what we all want to see but for whaever reason a lot of managers struggle to implement on the pitch. Saying that though, it doesn't make them bad managers for it, they just go about getting positive results in a different less exciting manner and there's no shame in that, unless your Tony Pulis and take it too far that is.

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Here's the attacking midfielders, wingers, and strikers available to Pardew:

 

Remy, Cisse, BenArfa, Gouffran, Ameobi, Ameobi, Obertan, Jonas, Marveaux, Sissoko

 

Here's the forward players at the 2 clubs closest to us in the league:

 

Rooney, VanPersie, Hernandez, Welbeck, Valencia, Nani, Fellaini, Zaha, Young, Kagawa, Janujaz

 

Adebayor, Soldado, Defoe, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Holtby

 

Spurs and Man United have probably spent in the region of £80m+ assembling those players, and most of them are paid a fortune.

 

We have put our attacking unit together for about £25m, and have spent in the region of £20m on strikers since Ashley arrived at the club.

 

Pardew deserves immense credit for getting us close to these 2 sides in the league. He also deserves praise for implementing a style of football that has generally been enjoyable to watch this season. The ball is usually on the deck - we look a bit limited in the final third - but what on earth would anyone expect.

 

He led a mid table side to 5th in the league ahead of Liverpool and Chelsea, and he has also guided a strikerforce of Ranger, Lovenkrands, Kuqi, Ameobi, and Best to a comfortable mid table finish.

 

He's done a fantastic job for us on the whole, and doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for it on here, although thankfully the attitude on here is very different to the attitude to our manager in the stadium, where he has his name sung in the majority of home matches, and deservedly so.

 

 

 

Pretty damn true, but you'll get hammered to fuck for it on here.

 

Despite being second bottom of the long ball league we play hoofball doncha know.

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Here's the attacking midfielders, wingers, and strikers available to Pardew:

 

Remy, Cisse, BenArfa, Gouffran, Ameobi, Ameobi, Obertan, Jonas, Marveaux, Sissoko

 

Here's the forward players at the 2 clubs closest to us in the league:

 

Rooney, VanPersie, Hernandez, Welbeck, Valencia, Nani, Fellaini, Zaha, Young, Kagawa, Janujaz

 

Adebayor, Soldado, Defoe, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Holtby

 

Spurs and Man United have probably spent in the region of £80m+ assembling those players, and most of them are paid a fortune.

 

We have put our attacking unit together for about £25m, and have spent in the region of £20m on strikers since Ashley arrived at the club.

 

Pardew deserves immense credit for getting us close to these 2 sides in the league. He also deserves praise for implementing a style of football that has generally been enjoyable to watch this season. The ball is usually on the deck - we look a bit limited in the final third - but what on earth would anyone expect.

 

He led a mid table side to 5th in the league ahead of Liverpool and Chelsea, and he has also guided a strikerforce of Ranger, Lovenkrands, Kuqi, Ameobi, and Best to a comfortable mid table finish.

 

He's done a fantastic job for us on the whole, and doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for it on here, although thankfully the attitude on here is very different to the attitude to our manager in the stadium, where he has his name sung in the majority of home matches, and deservedly so.

 

 

 

Is this not a little bit of a fallacious argument?  We might have spent relatively little (which perhaps says more about Ashley's reluctance to spend), but surely they are worth more than we paid.  The reverse might be said of some of Man. Utd and Tottenham's purchases.

 

The frustration comes from seeing some players, who the majority would agree are very talented (regardless of the money paid for them), either playing poorly or struggling to play well together.

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