Zero Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 15 minutes ago, Froggy said: You think we didn't support Mourinho and Ole? The only manager since Fergie who never received the long term support they probably deserved is Moyes, but Moyes was never good enough and I'm glad he was shown the door early. You guys did, just not at the level of Ten Hag. That’s what I don’t understand. Ten Hag has had the most support from you guys since Fergie. And I think most would agree he is probably just better than Moyes and Giggs among all the full time managers. That’s really ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 9 minutes ago, Froggy said: I put a lot of blame on the players as well, but it's been clear for 6 years Rashford is a huge problem and Ten Hag insisted on playing him over either Garnacho or Amad, who are hungrier and just simply better. Amad has been our most dangerous player this season, yet he brought Antony on before him the other night. In fact, since Amad won our player of the month, he didn't start him for the next four games. He signed Ugarte, but isn't giving him a chance to settle in. He's actually went back to Casemiro and Eriksen instead. What's the point? We sold Wan-Bissaka, because we had a standout performer at right back in Dalot. He then proceeds to move him to left back and put a new signing at right back who's completely comfortable on the left. Dalot has since been very exposed playing out of position and it's clear his confidence was going, and that miss is probably a byproduct of that. The constant swapping on centre backs probably hurt him too. De Ligt and Martinez are by far the best two we have and he was rotating them or subbing them for Jonny Evans in games. ------------------------------------ Thoughts on Amorim. How can you not get excited? Arguably the best appointment available at this time. He plays a completely different system to Ten Hag though so will be another "process." Either way, we aren't going to be any worse. The problem with appointing Amorim is about the funds he could have in transfer market. Yea it’s not his problem but basically Man Utd has no funds left under PSR. He has to utilize the leftover, which is a very difficult job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 3 hours ago, Ben said: How close are Man Utd to the PSR limit ? Apparently sacking Ten Hag and hiring the new bloke will.cost £25 million, I imagine he'll want his own players in January as well. If they're close, they'll just get another "exception allowance" like last time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 9 minutes ago, Zero said: You guys did, just not at the level of Ten Hag. That’s what I don’t understand. Ten Hag has had the most support from you guys since Fergie. And I think most would agree he is probably just better than Moyes and Giggs among all the full time managers. That’s really ridiculous I mean, it clearly hasn't worked to flog managers at the rate they have been doing, so it kind of feels like a collective effort from the fans to give him more time than the previous managers to see if that could eventually lead to more consistent performances. They haven't given him more time because it was ETH is my impression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Can't say I have seen much of Sporting. Bar the constant Gyokeres highlights. But I'd be really interested to see the 3-4-3 in the PL and if it work and if so, how many teams follow suit trying similar. The same way so many teams started doing the box midfield with the full backs coming inside after Pep did it. Or how Arteta started playing 4 CB's after Tony Pulis did it Actually looks like they have the right kind of squad for it, as well. Onana to build from the back. Martinez is good on the ball. Dalot is a great attacking full back. Mainoo and Ugarte holding. Plenty of attacking options further up the pitch. Might even get the best out of Rashford....... Annoying that it looks like he is going there. As it is an exciting appointment. @Froggy how come you weren't in for him in the summer when West Ham and Liverpool were heavily linked? But now after 9 more games of awful Ten Hag ball and buying more of his players. He is seen as the right man for the job? That seems a bit odd, to me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 28 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: @Froggy how come you weren't in for him in the summer when West Ham and Liverpool were heavily linked? But now after 9 more games of awful Ten Hag ball and buying more of his players. He is seen as the right man for the job? That seems a bit odd, to me? I don't think so. We had glaring weaknesses in the squad like CDM, and we needed to address them. We had just beaten City in the cup final, and it was no fluke, with ten Hag setting us up perfectly for it. I think he just bought himself time with cup win and the feeling was that if we signed another quality centre back and CDM that he could progress, but it wasn't to be unfortunately. I think a lot is being made of the signings being his players as well but I don't think it's a big deal and those players will be valuable to any manager. If it is Amorim who comes in, it'll suit Ugarte especially as his best football came under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: I don't think so. We had glaring weaknesses in the squad like CDM, and we needed to address them. We had just beaten City in the cup final, and it was no fluke, with ten Hag setting us up perfectly for it. I think he just bought himself time with cup win and the feeling was that if we signed another quality centre back and CDM that he could progress, but it wasn't to be unfortunately. I think a lot is being made of the signings being his players as well but I don't think it's a big deal and those players will be valuable to any manager. If it is Amorim who comes in, it'll suit Ugarte especially as his best football came under him. Weren't you actively looking for managers and it was an open secret that Ten Hag was basically on the way out? Then nobody they wanted actually wanted the job. So Ten Hag stayed? Or did every media outlet and supposed ITK just make that up? Also, how incredibly short-sighted to want to keep him off the back of a cup win. When you had game after game across league seasons where performances were all over the place and you had no recognised, discernible style or play and were often incredibly easy to play against. Might work out in the long term, though. If you get Amorim and say he wasn't interested or not available in the summer, but now he is. Then in theory, that was worth keeping ETH around for a bit longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 I'd never take this particular job if i was Amorim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 13 minutes ago, Ikon said: I'd never take this particular job if i was Amorim. No, its a bit of a soul crusher at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Weren't you actively looking for managers and it was an open secret that Ten Hag was basically on the way out? Then nobody they wanted actually wanted the job. So Ten Hag stayed? Or did every media outlet and supposed ITK just make that up? Also, how incredibly short-sighted to want to keep him off the back of a cup win. When you had game after game across league seasons where performances were all over the place and you had no recognised, discernible style or play and were often incredibly easy to play against. Might work out in the long term, though. If you get Amorim and say he wasn't interested or not available in the summer, but now he is. Then in theory, that was worth keeping ETH around for a bit longer. The only thing that is incredibly short-sighted is people acting like managers turn to shit overnight. Ten Hag is a good manager and a good coach, but he just couldn't get it right, just like other top managers couldn't. Consistency was the issue. We played some brilliant football for twenty minutes, then completely collapsed for the next twenty. I don't think anyone can really put their finger on it. It just shows the insane pressure you're under at this club though. We haven't been an elite club for over ten years yet a 55% win ratio, an average league position of 5.5 out of 20 and two more trophies added to the cabinet is not only seen as bad, but such a disaster to the point where the manager is mocked and ridiculed. It's beyond insane IMO. Edited October 29 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 31 minutes ago, Ikon said: I'd never take this particular job if i was Amorim. I think it's an easy job to take now. What does Amorim have to lose? If he turns us around and has us challenging again he'll be seen as a God. If he fails, he likely won't get the blame. Poisoned chalice, Glazers, Mourinho/Lvg/Ten Hag all failed etc. etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 4 minutes ago, Froggy said: I think it's an easy job to take now. What does Amorim have to lose? If he turns us around and has us challenging again he'll be seen as a God. If he fails, he likely won't get the blame. Poisoned chalice, Glazers, Mourinho/Lvg/Ten Hag all failed etc. etc. His chance to ever manage a big club again if it goes tits up. Easier to take the job under the Glazers tbh your spending the same sums as you were except ineos seem far more trigger happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) Edited October 29 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Froggy said: The only thing that is incredibly short-sighted is people acting like managers turn to shit overnight. Ten Hag is a good manager and a good coach, but he just couldn't get it right, just like other top managers couldn't. Consistency was the issue. We played some brilliant football for twenty minutes, then completely collapsed for the next twenty. I don't think anyone can really put their finger on it. It just shows the insane pressure you're under at this club though. We haven't been an elite club for over ten years yet a 55% win ratio, an average league position of 5.5 out of 20 and two more trophies added to the cabinet is not only seen as bad, but such a disaster to the point where the manager is mocked and ridiculed. It's beyond insane IMO. Surely you look bigger picture, though? Did you genuinely think what he was doing was sustainable? Did you think you were going to build on the previous seasons and improve year on year? Your goal dif and performances have been terrible a lot of the while, no? I know plenty of Man U fans and not just the usual glory boys. Our office is in Ashton, so quite a few actually from the area So many of them were fed up with it, the style or lack thereof. Baffling decisions with certain players, getting results you didn't really deserve. Ironically this season, when I've seen you. I actually think you've been quite unlucky at times. But the results have gone against you. Felt like a dead man walking for months and was only a matter of time. Edited October 29 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Surely you look bigger picture, though? Did you genuinely think what he was doing was sustainable? Did you think you were going to build on the previous seasons and improve year on year? Your goal dif and performances have been terrible a lot of the while, no? I know plenty of Man U fans and not just the usual glory boys. Our office is in Ashton, so quite a few actually from the area So many of them were fed up with it, the style or lack thereof. Baffling decisions with certain players, getting results you didn't really deserve. Ironically this season, when I've seen you. I actually think you've been quite unlucky at times. But the results have gone against you. Felt like a dead man walking for months and was only a matter of time. I am looking at the bigger picture, which is why you won't hear any complaints from me that he's been sacked. I think you've answered some of your own questions to me there as well though. My biggest criticism of him by far was his decisions with certain players. Almost like he was trying to prove a point sometimes and it grated on me. The league finish last season wasn't good, but he brought us two trophies and for that we're grateful. I think he earned the start of this season to try and get it right but it'stime now to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Rashford is complete dog water by the way, but he insisted on playing him. And on the rare occasions where he did play well, he either took him off or dropped him for the next game. That was a sackable offence on it's own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 a sterling job Agent Erik, we'll miss you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 14 minutes ago, Big River said: a sterling job Agent Erik, we'll miss you! Poor enough agent of Newcastle all things considered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Froggy said: The only thing that is incredibly short-sighted is people acting like managers turn to shit overnight. Ten Hag is a good manager and a good coach, but he just couldn't get it right, just like other top managers couldn't. Consistency was the issue. We played some brilliant football for twenty minutes, then completely collapsed for the next twenty. I don't think anyone can really put their finger on it. It just shows the insane pressure you're under at this club though. We haven't been an elite club for over ten years yet a 55% win ratio, an average league position of 5.5 out of 20 and two more trophies added to the cabinet is not only seen as bad, but such a disaster to the point where the manager is mocked and ridiculed. It's beyond insane IMO. Some of the drubbings and capitulations during ETH's tenure though, you've been whalloped so many times recently. Who gives a shite about 55% win ratio when you're getting basketball score pummelled by your arch enemies Some simple things Man Utd could do to give the new manager a better chance: Ban Taggart from watching in the stands like the thunder faced Ghost of Trophies Past Ban Gary Neville / Roy Keane / Paul Scholes from commentating / punditting on your games. It's annoying but sometimes amusing for us lot, it must be infuriating for the manager I hope they do neither, obvz Edited October 29 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 minute ago, Froggy said: Poor enough agent of Newcastle all things considered. If only the daft baldy git didn't turn up on League Cup Final day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 7 minutes ago, Froggy said: Poor enough agent of Newcastle all things considered. who said anything about Newcastle? obsessed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 8 minutes ago, Big River said: who said anything about Newcastle? obsessed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 22 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Some of the drubbings and capitulations during ETH's tenure though, you've been whalloped so many times recently. Who gives a shite about 55% win ratio when you're getting basketball score pummelled by your arch enemies We beat Liverpool and City on the way to winning FA Cup as well, and deservedly so. Again, it was the inconsistency of the performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Quote Man United remain locked in talks with Sporting over incoming manager Ruben Amorim's start date due to notice period which is a 'number of weeks' Play hardball, Sporting. Don't let Brexit Jim make you out to be the bad guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 The BBC must have broke some kind of record with the amount of man you threads they have over the last two days. Sick of hearing about the manc twats. Maybe we should have a thread for every club in the Premier League on this Newcastle United forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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