Jordan Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Lacked pace imo, hes nee Ben Arfa He's not a winger so nothing like HBA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Yet another player being wasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Can't beat a man. Really worrying if we're going to persist with him on the wing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Despite Pardew, he's soft as shite and needs to fucking get a grip. Pap today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Writing off a player after just 3 games in a new league. You'd have to be foolish to write him off. However, he deserves criticism for the way he has played over the last few games IMO. And it has very little to do with the position he is playing or Pardew etc. My issues with him are: - does tricks whilst standing still, to no one, for no reason. - can't seem to beat his man. - he's a bit wet and needs to man up, stand up in challenges etc. None of those things are position / Pardew related, just my honest assessment of his performances so far. Also, don't buy the argument that he's suffering from being our only creative outlet. It's nonsense. Neither Villa or Palace have particularly doubled up on him. Anyway, I hope he improves, for everyone's sake, because it hasn't been great so far. A player doesn't necessarily have to beat a player regularly to be effective in a central creative midfield role, which is probably where he should be playing. Also playing in a position you aren't familiar with can throw off your game. Ben Arfa often looked like he couldn't beat his man in games when he was stuck out on the left, but stick him on the right and he'd look a different player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TruToon94 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 The guys got massive shoes to fill considering that we've got a player the likes of which we love and who clearly is top quality sitting in the reserves. It doesn't help matters that Ben Arfa came to the club and single handedly beat Everton pretty much. Only Aarons has had the same impact as him amongst this bunch of signings. Bought too many bloody attacking midfielders this season and we're going to suffer from that. Especially when our two best wingers are looking like a youngster and a guy frozen out of the squad! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Seems to me we've bought two players who would prefer to play the same position (de Jong and Cabella) because they both represented good deals. A position the manager doesn't have a clue how to utilise based on our previous attempts to play with a #10. Great work all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Seems to me we've bought two players who would prefer to play the same position (de Jong and Cabella) because they both represented good deals. A position the manager doesn't have a clue how to utilise based on our previous attempts to play with a #10. Great work all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Plenty of our support have been expecting basically another Ben Arfa but who is 100% consistent and works his absolute bollocks off (for £12m, this is, rather than the £∞ that would actually cost). What we've actually got is exactly what anyone with a brain would have expected, your classic French winger/attacking midfielder - a bit soft, a bit lazy, a bit inconsistent - but this one's nowhere near as talented as Ben Arfa (very few are). It'll be the ones who were smug as fuck that Ben Arfa had been bombed out and replaced that will get the huff on about him first. More Gouffran please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He's massively hindered by our complete lack of movement. Put him in a side full of movement, or at least some, and he'd thrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Unless you're a striker with ability to create and take your own chances, no useful attacking player can contribute anything consistently in a Pardew team. Not enough movement, not enough support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Unless you're a striker with ability to create and take your own chances, no useful attacking player can contribute anything consistently in a Pardew team. Not enough movement, not enough support. Spot on. This is why now Pardew is truly fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I do despair, like. Cabella was an incredibly effective player at Montpellier, he's not just some daft show off. He's not Ben Arfa in terms of dribbling but there's plenty of good in his game, both on the ball and off it. As usual, we need to play to his strengths and not allow him to be doubled up on. Let him drift and give him support and he'll create and score plenty. This is the problem and it's the same problem Ben Arfa has when he plays. Imagine you're an opposition manager looking at this team sheet: Krul; Janmaat, Coloccini ©, Williamson, Haidara; Colback, Sissoko; Cabella, de Jong, Gouffran; Riviere The lack of creativity stands out like a sore thumb and makes us so easy to shut down. Stop our one creative player and our whole attack is castrated. First thing an opposing manager will do when faced with that is double up on Cabella and they can do it safe in the knowledge that there's nobody else in the team with the ability to exploit the extra space. Switch to this Krul; Janmaat, Coloccini ©, Williamson, Haidara; Colback, Sissoko; Cabella, HBA, Aarons; Riviere and it's a different prospect entirely. Double up on Cabella and who's going to pick up HBA? Double up on him and Aarons and Cabella will run riot. Just not enough fret in our starting line up at the moment and it's making us easy to nullify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Unless you're a striker with ability to create and take your own chances, no useful attacking player can contribute anything consistently in a Pardew team. Not enough movement, not enough support. Spot on. This is why now Pardew is truly f***ed. Yep. I mean, Cabella is a very different player to Ben Arfa, he's a wide man in the same sense as Silva, Nasri or even Mata (at Chelsea). He requires a bit of thought to get the best out of as he's not the type that's just going to get the ball and beat loads of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Unless you're a striker with ability to create and take your own chances, no useful attacking player can contribute anything consistently in a Pardew team. Not enough movement, not enough support. Spot on. This is why now Pardew is truly f***ed. Spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shush Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Writing off a player after just 3 games in a new league. You'd have to be foolish to write him off. However, he deserves criticism for the way he has played over the last few games IMO. And it has very little to do with the position he is playing or Pardew etc. My issues with him are: - does tricks whilst standing still, to no one, for no reason. - can't seem to beat his man. - he's a bit wet and needs to man up, stand up in challenges etc. None of those things are position / Pardew related, just my honest assessment of his performances so far. Also, don't buy the argument that he's suffering from being our only creative outlet. It's nonsense. Neither Villa or Palace have particularly doubled up on him. Anyway, I hope he improves, for everyone's sake, because it hasn't been great so far. Very much this. Plenty of time for him to sort it out but it's just annoying he's far from hitting the ground running, we are desperate for some spark for making things happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Writing off a player after just 3 games in a new league. Newcastle fans have been very good at that in the past few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 In a normal team, Cabella probably would be a better choice, contributing in many aspects and make better decisions despite not that talented. In fact I start feeling that Pardew and HBA are probably their career's best ever partner --- if there isn't a clash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 For those that have watched more of NUFC this season than me (not difficult), does he track back much? Just wondering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 For those that have watched more of NUFC this season than me (not difficult), does he track back much? Just wondering. A fair bit yeah, he works quite hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Early days yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Plenty of our support have been expecting basically another Ben Arfa but who is 100% consistent and works his absolute bollocks off for £12m, so true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieT Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Made more tackles yesterday than any other NUFC player. But yeah, I would love to see him play next to Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Grafts his arse off. Would be a fantastic compliment to HBA on the other wing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Fear that he is inevitably going to take a whole bunch of s*** for not being Hatem now. Different player but Pardew has all but made him Hatems replacement. If he continues to take time in finding his feet it wont take long before certain fans start tearing him to shreds, it even started after three games. Looks even more of a confidence player than Hatem too, so could be a tough year for him. Maybe we should make up some "I've been Pardewed" T-shirts to send to all our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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