triggs Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I thought he was poor yesterday bar the great cross. He just can't seem to do anything on the ball unless given loads of space and gets bullied off it too easily. In fairness he might just be struggling to adapt and may come good in the future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's his first half season in the PL after being in France, fuck sake lay off the kid. All this talk of "justifying the fee" - its all relative. Let the boy have time, no shock he's looked much better in recent weeks in matches where we've actually won something. He's no Hatem, he's no Sylvain, both of whom I rated much higher as well - but what I do like about him is his work rate for a creative player and he'll work great with Siem De Jong, Aarons at full pelt and a better pressing system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 He's not done much at all but he's certainly not helped by the chronic lack of movement around him. That first goal yesterday was one of the only decent bits of play he's been involved in since he signed. No coincidence that it involved some movement/people giving him options. He's as weak as piss, that's his problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's his first half season in the PL after being in France, f*** sake lay off the kid. All this talk of "justifying the fee" - its all relative. Let the boy have time, no shock he's looked much better in recent weeks in matches where we've actually won something. He's no Hatem, he's no Sylvain, both of whom I rated much higher as well - but what I do like about him is his work rate for a creative player and he'll work great with Siem De Jong, Aarons at full pelt and a better pressing system. This. Plus the fact that our team was fucking horrible for the first two months he was here. It's no wonder he looked shit, everyone did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 People he's doing it so he can tell you he was right all along. Just like he did with Cisse and Sissoko, don't bite. Eh? Apart from his horrible extended run at AM I've always been happy enough with Sissoko's contribution. Just not seeing enough quality in Cabella atm. That's because you are confusing quality with physical strength. YOu mentioned 3 times he went down going shoulder to shoulder, well that's not surprising since he's not very big. But he does still put his foot in for the tackles and he tracks back so he's not a liability on the pitch. He does faff around on the ball a bit, but that's probably because he's come from France where the pace is a lot slower and you need a trick to get by people. I think he could adjust as he gets used to English football. He's got a few assists now and I've seen enough to suggest he's going to provide some good end product if given time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 like him very much. Sure he will improve and shut you up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I thought he was poor yesterday bar the great cross. He just can't seem to do anything on the ball unless given loads of space and gets bullied off it too easily. In fairness he might just be struggling to adapt and may come good in the future This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's hilarious how every under performing NO favourite is struggling because of a lack of movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I think if anything he doesn't get the ball to feet high enough up the pitch, often enough. Our game, just doesn't allow for it. He and Sammy suffered the same problem, yesterday. As soon as he got it in that kind of position he dribble forward, played a well weighted ball out wide that allowed Janmaat to cross first time for the goal. Most of the time though, he's closer to the halfway line when he does get it, with defenders right up against him. These are the situations he mostly struggles from. It's a shame really. I'm worried because we will never play the kind of football to allow wide players to really shine. We really haven't had a wide player really shine under Pardew have we. Ben Arfa is really the only one that has been able to excel in this stifling setup, and yet Pardew couldn't even appreciate it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'm starting to see things from him that make me believe he'll get there in this league. He got stuck in a few times yesterday and wasn't as physically bullied as he has been in previous games. He did positive things with the ball and got involved with the move for the first goal. He's not doing anything fantastic yet, but he's improving slowly and that's a positive sign as far as I can see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If Gouffran starts ahead of him that first goal doesn't happen. God knows where Gouff would have been stationed in the build up. Probably behind Janmaat, as Pardew gazed at him in longing admiration of his defensive solidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Gouffran just isn't being used correctly. He came here as a striker and his finishing hasn't been bad when in position, it's just that he's far too often covering the full back and never anywhere near the goal. Pardew has a comical way of getting half the team playing out of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I really like Gouffran, but Pardew has ruined his life. The guy was scoring 1 every other game in France playing as a lone forward. A hard working striker that worked the channels, and got on the end of through balls, with a decent finish. Now look at the state of him. Pardew up until now, hasn't respected the guy as a striker, for reasons unbeknown to us all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Gouffran would be the example and picture used next to the word 'Pardewed' in the dictionary. He's been the victim of being the only player who could replace Jonas in that defensive winger role. It's a rare position that doesn't really exist outside of Pardew teams, where the winger is used to double up on the opposition winger, while not being asked to provide any attacking threat. That's why Ben Arfa has never been a success as a Pardew winger, not enough tracking back and safely booting the ball out of play. Gouffran got six goals from that position last season. I think that's a miracle he performed, so he gets a lot more flack than he deserves. I hope Cabella can be used properly, because he certainly can't do that defensive winger job. Hopefully with Janmaat and whoever we use at left back we start to trust them and just gamble a little bit. We might concede more, but we'll probably score more if our wingers are actually allowed to attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'm not sure it will happen for Cabella out wide. I'm worried. I'd love to see us play a diamond, as it gets rid of this winger problem, which Pardew can't utlilise properly. If everyone is fit. Cabella could slot in behind De Jong and Cisse/Ayoze. With a midfield three of Colback, Abeid and Sissoko. Will our esteemed manager ever try this though? No chance in hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Give him freedom to roam and he'd be fine there, he can float about and have Aarons on the left holding the width plus Sissoko and De Jong supporting Cisse/Perez from deep. Would work out fine IMO, but again we come back to Pardew.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's just an issue of time. Hindsight's a wonderful thing but it's now very apparent that he's the type of player that would most struggle to adapt quickly to this league. No matter the league he's playing in, he's always going to be at a physical disadvantage, so it's his brain that's the get-out clause. Luckily, he's a very smart player and will understand how to get around his issues the more he plays. I don't think strength is the main problem, either, it's all about the speed at which he plays. He has a great touch and quick feet, the key is for him to get the ball when he's moving rather than a standing/slow start. Make sure he has players around him to quickly interchange with and he'll be cracking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's definitely a lack of core strength. He's built like a 19 year old Gareth Bale. hes fairly tall so he has a fairly high centre of gravity and he just topples over. David Silva would squat him. He was givem a fairly free role yesterday btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Fairly tall at 5ft 7? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 He's built like a 19 year old Gareth Bale. hes fairly tall so he has a fairly high centre of gravity and he just topples over. It's fairly unbelievable that someone took the time to type this nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 He was givem a fairly free role yesterday btw. Pardew should keep doing it then and remain patient, I'm sure it will eventually yield results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 He was givem a fairly free role yesterday btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Fairly tall at 5ft 7? He obviously meant including his hair, which easily makes him over 6 ft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If he's short than it's worse. Would expect him to have a low centre of gravity and to be harder to knock off the ball. If he's 5'7 he's around the same height as Messi which I don't believe to be true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Pretty much everywhere says he's 1.71m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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