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They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions.

:thup: You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers

Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years.

At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s****

 

No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity.

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They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions.

:thup: You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers

Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years.

At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s****

 

Cabella was ESPNs European Sports Footballing Personality of the Year for January under Carver. Your point is proven.

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They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions.

:thup: You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers

Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years.

At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing shite

When the majority of players play poorly more often than they play well, and they're not shit players, then there's clearly a common denominator in the situation ffs. If it was 1-2 lazy flair monkeys then yeah I'd buy it, but it's not, it's been all of them for the vast majority of the time playing shite.

Look all I'm trying to say is that players need to take some responsibility for their own performances even if they are being let down by the coaching. Krul for example has got a lot worse in the last few years. I have no doubt Woodman is shit but that doesn't mean Krul isn't to blame also. If Krul cared enough about his career he would have paid some goalkeeping coach to help him improve his kicking by now

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I see very little of your club, but from what I did see, he seemed to be the least of your problems. At least, he looked to create something and didn't just run about aimlessly hoping something nice would happen

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They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions.

:thup: You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers

Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years.

At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s****

 

No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity.

Just like nobody said he was entirely to blame but IMO its ridiculous that a player isn't held accountable at all for his own poor performaces

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They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions.

:thup: You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers

Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years.

At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s****

 

No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity.

Just like nobody said he was entirely to blame but IMO its ridiculous that a player isn't held accountable at all for his own poor performaces

 

That's because the manager signed the player and is the one who's expected to reply when the player doesn't succeed. If you're not good at your job, it's your boss's job to either fire you or make you perform better.

 

Cabella or Krul have no incentive to perform better, they're earning a comfortable wage, and have absolutely no competitors for their job and there doesn't seem to be much indication of some competition coming in. They have no incentive to improve. Krul, especially, since I believe he also has very little competition for the national team either.

 

If they're declining, it's the manager's job to get in someone better, or make them perform better. No one will question the players, they're only ruining their own careers, it's the club's job to improve it's own position

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Krul isn't even his national team's no.1.

 

Guess I'm mistaken there, though my point about them having no incentive to improve still stands. They're still getting a hefty wage and Krul is still the backup keeper at his national team

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They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions.

:thup: You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers

Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years.

At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s****

 

No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity.

Just like nobody said he was entirely to blame but IMO its ridiculous that a player isn't held accountable at all for his own poor performaces

 

That's because the manager signed the player and is the one who's expected to reply when the player doesn't succeed. If you're not good at your job, it's your boss's job to either fire you or make you perform better.

 

Cabella or Krul have no incentive to perform better, they're earning a comfortable wage, and have absolutely no competitors for their job and there doesn't seem to be much indication of some competition coming in. They have no incentive to improve. Krul, especially, since I believe he also has very little competition for the national team either.

 

If they're declining, it's the manager's job to get in someone better, or make them perform better. No one will question the players, they're only ruining their own careers, it's the club's job to improve it's own position

This isn't really the argument I was having but since you've brought it up Cabella was in the French squad when he arrived here and now he's not. Krul isn't even first choice for Holland is he? They both should be using the Euros as an incentive to have a good season

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Krul isn't even his national team's no.1.

 

Guess I'm mistaken there, though my point about them having no incentive to improve still stands. They're still getting a hefty wage and Krul is still the backup keeper at his national team

:lol: So obviously an incentive is to become Dutch no.1?

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Krul isn't even his national team's no.1.

 

Guess I'm mistaken there, though my point about them having no incentive to improve still stands. They're still getting a hefty wage and Krul is still the backup keeper at his national team

:lol: So obviously an incentive is to become Dutch no.1?

 

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You could say that, but then it depends on the player and what's more important to him. Krul's delivered some good performances before, so if he's not doing it now, the manager should come under the scanner

 

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Shame, looking forward to this guy this season. He's got talent and with lickspack and thick stoney out of the picture, hopefully we'll see him link up better and deliver. He shown some fantastic flashes of skill and needs a long run in the side, as does any player, before we see his best

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Krul isn't even his national team's no.1.

 

Guess I'm mistaken there, though my point about them having no incentive to improve still stands. They're still getting a hefty wage and Krul is still the backup keeper at his national team

:lol: So obviously an incentive is to become Dutch no.1?

 

:lol:

 

You could say that, but then it depends on the player and what's more important to him. Krul's delivered some good performances before, so if he's not doing it now, the manager should come under the scanner

 

 

Also got new competition from Ken Darlow now.

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