mrmojorisin75 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s**** No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s**** Cabella was ESPNs European Sports Footballing Personality of the Year for January under Carver. Your point is proven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing shite When the majority of players play poorly more often than they play well, and they're not shit players, then there's clearly a common denominator in the situation ffs. If it was 1-2 lazy flair monkeys then yeah I'd buy it, but it's not, it's been all of them for the vast majority of the time playing shite. Look all I'm trying to say is that players need to take some responsibility for their own performances even if they are being let down by the coaching. Krul for example has got a lot worse in the last few years. I have no doubt Woodman is shit but that doesn't mean Krul isn't to blame also. If Krul cared enough about his career he would have paid some goalkeeping coach to help him improve his kicking by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GoonerAlexis Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I see very little of your club, but from what I did see, he seemed to be the least of your problems. At least, he looked to create something and didn't just run about aimlessly hoping something nice would happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s**** No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity. Just like nobody said he was entirely to blame but IMO its ridiculous that a player isn't held accountable at all for his own poor performaces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GoonerAlexis Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s**** No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity. Just like nobody said he was entirely to blame but IMO its ridiculous that a player isn't held accountable at all for his own poor performaces That's because the manager signed the player and is the one who's expected to reply when the player doesn't succeed. If you're not good at your job, it's your boss's job to either fire you or make you perform better. Cabella or Krul have no incentive to perform better, they're earning a comfortable wage, and have absolutely no competitors for their job and there doesn't seem to be much indication of some competition coming in. They have no incentive to improve. Krul, especially, since I believe he also has very little competition for the national team either. If they're declining, it's the manager's job to get in someone better, or make them perform better. No one will question the players, they're only ruining their own careers, it's the club's job to improve it's own position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Krul isn't even his national team's no.1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GoonerAlexis Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Krul isn't even his national team's no.1. Guess I'm mistaken there, though my point about them having no incentive to improve still stands. They're still getting a hefty wage and Krul is still the backup keeper at his national team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s**** No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity. Just like nobody said he was entirely to blame but IMO its ridiculous that a player isn't held accountable at all for his own poor performaces That's because the manager signed the player and is the one who's expected to reply when the player doesn't succeed. If you're not good at your job, it's your boss's job to either fire you or make you perform better. Cabella or Krul have no incentive to perform better, they're earning a comfortable wage, and have absolutely no competitors for their job and there doesn't seem to be much indication of some competition coming in. They have no incentive to improve. Krul, especially, since I believe he also has very little competition for the national team either. If they're declining, it's the manager's job to get in someone better, or make them perform better. No one will question the players, they're only ruining their own careers, it's the club's job to improve it's own position This isn't really the argument I was having but since you've brought it up Cabella was in the French squad when he arrived here and now he's not. Krul isn't even first choice for Holland is he? They both should be using the Euros as an incentive to have a good season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Krul isn't even his national team's no.1. Guess I'm mistaken there, though my point about them having no incentive to improve still stands. They're still getting a hefty wage and Krul is still the backup keeper at his national team So obviously an incentive is to become Dutch no.1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GoonerAlexis Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Krul isn't even his national team's no.1. Guess I'm mistaken there, though my point about them having no incentive to improve still stands. They're still getting a hefty wage and Krul is still the backup keeper at his national team So obviously an incentive is to become Dutch no.1? You could say that, but then it depends on the player and what's more important to him. Krul's delivered some good performances before, so if he's not doing it now, the manager should come under the scanner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie jamie Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Injured and will miss the USA tour apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Shame, looking forward to this guy this season. He's got talent and with lickspack and thick stoney out of the picture, hopefully we'll see him link up better and deliver. He shown some fantastic flashes of skill and needs a long run in the side, as does any player, before we see his best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Out with the shoemaker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 he's a mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Krul isn't even his national team's no.1. Guess I'm mistaken there, though my point about them having no incentive to improve still stands. They're still getting a hefty wage and Krul is still the backup keeper at his national team So obviously an incentive is to become Dutch no.1? You could say that, but then it depends on the player and what's more important to him. Krul's delivered some good performances before, so if he's not doing it now, the manager should come under the scanner Also got new competition from Ken Darlow now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Out for 6-8 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Out for 6-8 weeks. Should be able to run it off and show some will according to some cunt on here.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 L'Equipe reckons he's not a part of the manager's plans this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 The soft cunt better show some will and run it off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/remy-cabella-not-part-of-newcastle-managers-plans/ Seems a bit hasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Can't believe McClaren would give everyone a clean slate but specifically decide he hates Cabella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 It's L'Equipe. It's about as reliable as the Daily Star. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I can't see how he could have decided he isn't worth keeping if he's been injured all pre-season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Would have liked him to have had a full pre season under his belt. Shame, but confident he will improve this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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