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Willian is hardly an attactive player to watch but he is very efficient and effective imo. Underrated. Ozil however is s***. Maybe Silva is in decline now I will accept hear a bit less, but then still see plenty of times he runs the show. I think Coutinho has drifted in and out of plenty of games though.

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Coutinho is the right profile for Barca.  He has a turn of pace and explosion that most of the others don't. And he can play a ball.  Tactically he's more flexible than most alternatives who can't play deeper in midfield at all. Coutinho gives the ball away too much for my liking but the Eriksen's and the De Bruynes aren't dynamic enough.

 

Think Hazard is a Barca type player. Think he would be good for one of the forward roles but In a different style to Neymar. 

 

Personally I think Barca should go for a more rugged midfield setup. Like a Dembele (Spurs), someone quick and powerful and decent enough on the ball (Carvalho another one). Allowing them a more luxurious creator without the industry they seem to be after.  Then another forward. 

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So the details of the bid according to several reliable journalist who cover LFC.

 

So the upfront payment was 80 million staggered over 5 years.

 

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Winning multiple trophies in the same season

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Winning multiple trophies and the Ballon d'or in the same season.

 

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I'm all for Liverpool rejecting bids tbh. Anything to reduce player and agent power is good in my book.

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Whole situation is a farce.

Yeah, this one deal will reduce player and agent power.

Wat?
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I'm all for Liverpool rejecting bids tbh. Anything to reduce player and agent power is good in my book.

:thup:

 

Whole situation is a farce.

Yeah, this one deal will reduce player and agent power.

Wat?

Liverpool rejecting this deal will achieve the sum total of fuck all.

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I'm all for Liverpool rejecting bids tbh. Anything to reduce player and agent power is good in my book.

:thup:

 

Whole situation is a farce.

Yeah, this one deal will reduce player and agent power.

Wat?

Liverpool rejecting this deal will achieve the sum total of fuck all.

What are you on about? No one said it would achieve or change anything. I said ANYTHING to reduce player and agent power, which in this specific situation it undeniably would.
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I'm all for Liverpool rejecting bids tbh. Anything to reduce player and agent power is good in my book.

:thup:

 

Whole situation is a farce.

Yeah, this one deal will reduce player and agent power.

Wat?

Liverpool rejecting this deal will achieve the sum total of fuck all.

What are you on about? No one said it would achieve or change anything. I said ANYTHING to reduce player and agent power, which in this specific situation it undeniably would.

It will reduce player and agent power? I guess I don't agree.

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I'm all for Liverpool rejecting bids tbh. Anything to reduce player and agent power is good in my book.

:thup:

 

Whole situation is a farce.

Yeah, this one deal will reduce player and agent power.

Wat?

Liverpool rejecting this deal will achieve the sum total of fuck all.

What are you on about? No one said it would achieve or change anything. I said ANYTHING to reduce player and agent power, which in this specific situation it undeniably would.

It will reduce player and agent power? I guess I don't agree.

So Coutinho and his agent push for a move, Liverpool say no, reject all offers and it changes nothing? So Coutinho and his agent get what they want and move to Barcelona regardless then? Of course they don't, in that situation Liverpool stick to their guns and Coutinho stays, him and his agent don't get what they want, and Liverpool are in control. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly think otherwise, but godspeed.

 

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It's unpopular, but i'd rather the power be in the players hands than it being in greedy corporations.

 

To use an example, in the UFC the fighters are disgustingly underpaid and it all filters to the greedy corporations. I don't defend players doing ridiculous stunts like the ones Dortmund's Dembele is doing but i'd rather empower the players than the owners personally.

 

Also i think players are dumb as fuck for signing long contracts like Coutinho did last summer, if you want to keep your options open then sign a shorter contract. If he went to Liverpool and said i only want a 2 year deal do you think Liverpool would say no? i highly doubt it.

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Also i think players are dumb as f*** for signing long contracts like Coutinho did last summer, if you want to keep your options open then sign a shorter contract. If he went to Liverpool and said i only want a 2 year deal do you think Liverpool would say no? i highly doubt it.

 

His previous contract ran until 2020 so I think Liverpool would say no if he asked for a two-year contract in 2017.

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It's unpopular, but i'd rather the power be in the players hands than it being in greedy corporations.

 

To use an example, in the UFC the fighters are disgustingly underpaid and it all filters to the greedy corporations. I don't defend players doing ridiculous stunts like the ones Dortmund's Dembele is doing but i'd rather empower the players than the owners personally.

 

Also i think players are dumb as fuck for signing long contracts like Coutinho did last summer, if you want to keep your options open then sign a shorter contract. If he went to Liverpool and said i only want a 2 year deal do you think Liverpool would say no? i highly doubt it.

I don't think it's as either/or as that tbh, particularly when we're talking about players who anything but underpaid. I understand your point though.
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I'm all for Liverpool rejecting bids tbh. Anything to reduce player and agent power is good in my book.

:thup:

 

Whole situation is a farce.

Yeah, this one deal will reduce player and agent power.

Wat?

Liverpool rejecting this deal will achieve the sum total of fuck all.

What are you on about? No one said it would achieve or change anything. I said ANYTHING to reduce player and agent power, which in this specific situation it undeniably would.

It will reduce player and agent power? I guess I don't agree.

So Coutinho and his agent push for a move, Liverpool say no, reject all offers and it changes nothing? So Coutinho and his agent get what they want and move to Barcelona regardless then? Of course they don't, in that situation Liverpool stick to their guns and Coutinho stays, him and his agent don't get what they want, and Liverpool are in control. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly think otherwise, but godspeed.

He'll just get his move later though. It's not like he's gonna see his contract out now because they've rejected this bid.

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We've bid €30m for Seri according to our press.

 

Can't see them letting him go for anything other than his release clause (40m).

 

Barca board must be hoping to keep that extra 10m back to stick on the Coutinho deal :shifty:

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Coutinho's good but he's not a Suarez or Ronaldo.  There is a chance this move never comes around again. 

 

im with Mole on this. I'm all for player power. You can be a great servant for a club, play through injury, risk long term personal injuries, clock in many years service, as soon as your deemed not good enough your shut out from the first team and made to feel a pariah. 

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I'm all for Liverpool rejecting bids tbh. Anything to reduce player and agent power is good in my book.

:thup:

 

Whole situation is a farce.

Yeah, this one deal will reduce player and agent power.

Wat?

Liverpool rejecting this deal will achieve the sum total of fuck all.

What are you on about? No one said it would achieve or change anything. I said ANYTHING to reduce player and agent power, which in this specific situation it undeniably would.

It will reduce player and agent power? I guess I don't agree.

So Coutinho and his agent push for a move, Liverpool say no, reject all offers and it changes nothing? So Coutinho and his agent get what they want and move to Barcelona regardless then? Of course they don't, in that situation Liverpool stick to their guns and Coutinho stays, him and his agent don't get what they want, and Liverpool are in control. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly think otherwise, but godspeed.

He'll just get his move later though. It's not like he's gonna see his contract out now because they've rejected this bid.

Aye, either at a higher fee, or Liverpool just reject all bids. The point being that Liverpool aren't bending over backwards for Coutinho and his agent. I really didn't think it was a point that needed this much of an explanation :idontknow:
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