NewJerseyMag Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ian, for the last 3 seasons we have been fairly close to CL qualification twice (one very close), with a squad assembled on a shoestring and managed by a dead average manager. Graham Carr is doing a fantastic job of spotting talent early, it's the doing the deals part that's sometimes letting us down (Thauvin, Aubameyang, just to name two examples). Now, if Ashley were to trust Carr's judgement a little bit more and was willing to spend that little bit of extra money it sometimes takes (our money btw, not his), not only could that make the difference between being close and actually challenging up there, but it would also make sense financially for him to do so. The same thing goes for (not) replacing the manager. Again, it comes down to trying to be the best we possibly can vs being happy with mediocrity. Good post, I admit we're too tight with transfer fees a lot of the time, I've never said otherwise. I just not convinced that Ashley believes signing a couple more players like the ones you mention would translate into CL qualification, and I can understand that based on how football is now structured. We could make 4th with just re-investing the money made from outgoing transfers and revenue: he doesn't have to put any more money in.... we are MORE than self sufficient at this point. Carroll and Cabaye money has NOT been re-invested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ian, for the last 3 seasons we have been fairly close to CL qualification twice (one very close), with a squad assembled on a shoestring and managed by a dead average manager. Graham Carr is doing a fantastic job of spotting talent early, it's the doing the deals part that's sometimes letting us down (Thauvin, Aubameyang, just to name two examples). Now, if Ashley were to trust Carr's judgement a little bit more and was willing to spend that little bit of extra money it sometimes takes (our money btw, not his), not only could that make the difference between being close and actually challenging up there, but it would also make sense financially for him to do so. The same thing goes for (not) replacing the manager. Again, it comes down to trying to be the best we possibly can vs being happy with mediocrity. Good post, I admit we're too tight with transfer fees a lot of the time, I've never said otherwise. I just not convinced that Ashley believes signing a couple more players like the ones you mention would translate into CL qualification, and I can understand that based on how football is now structured. Putting aside where you believe where we are as a club - you've got Ashley's thought process all wrong. It's not that he feels a couple players wouldn't get us there (be worth a shot though, eh?), it's that he doesn't want to risk crossing the threshold of Europa League no-man's-land and being stranded there, a la 2012. I'm sure he would love to get the big gig - because it would mean more money for the club and more exposure for his brand - but, to him, it's not worth the risk. And thus he is happy for the club merely to exist in mediocrity. It's the happy medium between CL and relegation which he is content to uphold. Thus no signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You agree, almost like its not a chance in hell to compete with the top 6 in PL. Our owner is a c***, so is our director of football, and our manager is average at best. But its not impossible to compete if we went for it and ran the club like a proper football club. I just don't know what we could realistically do (with Mike Ashley as owner) to break the domination of those clubs ToonPack mentioned. I mean, we are competing with the top 6 now, what I don't know is how it's possible to compete with the top 3 or 4 without spending way beyond our means on a regular basis. Spending way beyond our means!!!! Fucking hell man - we haven't spent a penny in two full transfer windows man. We aren't asking for huge amounts to be spent. Christ almighty. Earth to Andy... I know that very well, what I'm saying is - it is understandable that we spend little when the requirements to move beyond our current position are so large. So you think it's better to hoard the money that the club brings in instead? Pure wummery. You can do better than that Wullie, you post sense when you put your mind to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ian, for the last 3 seasons we have been fairly close to CL qualification twice (one very close), with a squad assembled on a shoestring and managed by a dead average manager. Graham Carr is doing a fantastic job of spotting talent early, it's the doing the deals part that's sometimes letting us down (Thauvin, Aubameyang, just to name two examples). Now, if Ashley were to trust Carr's judgement a little bit more and was willing to spend that little bit of extra money it sometimes takes (our money btw, not his), not only could that make the difference between being close and actually challenging up there, but it would also make sense financially for him to do so. The same thing goes for (not) replacing the manager. Again, it comes down to trying to be the best we possibly can vs being happy with mediocrity. Good post, I admit we're too tight with transfer fees a lot of the time, I've never said otherwise. I just not convinced that Ashley believes signing a couple more players like the ones you mention would translate into CL qualification, and I can understand that based on how football is now structured. All that would be understandable if Mike Ashley was an insurance salesman, but he's supposed to be a gambling, entrepreneurial, risk taking, aggressive character. So what he's not convinced a relatively small outlay (in relative terms of course) will guarantee CL qualification and financial success? Nah, it's wholly out of character as well as insensible, and therefore his reasons for not investing cannot logically be financial or economical, they must be of a personal nature (i.e. revenge for calling him a fat cockney or something). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyMag Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ian, for the last 3 seasons we have been fairly close to CL qualification twice (one very close), with a squad assembled on a shoestring and managed by a dead average manager. Graham Carr is doing a fantastic job of spotting talent early, it's the doing the deals part that's sometimes letting us down (Thauvin, Aubameyang, just to name two examples). Now, if Ashley were to trust Carr's judgement a little bit more and was willing to spend that little bit of extra money it sometimes takes (our money btw, not his), not only could that make the difference between being close and actually challenging up there, but it would also make sense financially for him to do so. The same thing goes for (not) replacing the manager. Again, it comes down to trying to be the best we possibly can vs being happy with mediocrity. Good post, I admit we're too tight with transfer fees a lot of the time, I've never said otherwise. I just not convinced that Ashley believes signing a couple more players like the ones you mention would translate into CL qualification, and I can understand that based on how football is now structured. All that would be understandable if Mike Ashley was an insurance salesman, but he's supposed to be a gambling, entrepreneurial, risk taking, aggressive character. So what he's not convinced a relatively small outlay (in relative terms of course) will guarantee CL qualification and financial success? Nah, it's wholly out of character as well as insensible, and therefore his reasons for not investing cannot logically be financial or economical, they must be of a personal nature (i.e. revenge for calling him a fat cockney or something). Seems to have no problem gambling down at the casino, but when it comes to us he's as tight as a fishes arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We are where we should be give or take a couple of places? Based on what exactly? Based on money basically. Based on the money we are spending we are doing fantastically well, I'd agree. The problem is we have spent -38 million on transfers since Ashley came in. MINUS 38 million! To be in the top end of the table is no less than a miracle considering how we're being bled dry. Which leads to the simple conclusion our scouting is doing extremely well. Such a shame we have a billionaire owner who is unwilling to spend some money, not even money generated by the club itself. Imagine where we could be with a little bit of ambition, a little bit of trust in the scouting team and a little bit of investment in the squad and in a decent manager. We could be challenging up there, no doubt. We just choose not too. Indefensible from a fan's perspective, yet here you are, posting like a lunatic all day long on deadline telling people off who are understandably venting their frustration. I agree it would be nice if he would spend some of his own money, but unless the accounts show year-on-year profits I can't see how he isn't spending the money we generate. I agree a football club should reinvest all its profits, but we haven't really made any. Good God. I sincerely hope nobody (who doesn't know your game) ever comes on here and believes a single word of this. You always deny you're on the wind up, I really hope you are because if not, you're one of the dimmest people I've ever encountered. No matter how many times it has been explained to you, how a football club's accounts work, you continue to bash the keyboard with your face and post this utter drivel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We are where we should be give or take a couple of places? Based on what exactly? Based on money basically. Based on the money we are spending we are doing fantastically well, I'd agree. The problem is we have spent -38 million on transfers since Ashley came in. MINUS 38 million! To be in the top end of the table is no less than a miracle considering how we're being bled dry. Which leads to the simple conclusion our scouting is doing extremely well. Such a shame we have a billionaire owner who is unwilling to spend some money, not even money generated by the club itself. Imagine where we could be with a little bit of ambition, a little bit of trust in the scouting team and a little bit of investment in the squad and in a decent manager. We could be challenging up there, no doubt. We just choose not too. Indefensible from a fan's perspective, yet here you are, posting like a lunatic all day long on deadline telling people off who are understandably venting their frustration. I agree it would be nice if he would spend some of his own money, but unless the accounts show year-on-year profits I can't see how he isn't spending the money we generate. I agree a football club should reinvest all its profits, but we haven't really made any. Good God. I sincerely hope nobody (who doesn't know your game) ever comes on here and believes a single word of this. You always deny you're on the wind up, I really hope you are because if not, you're one of the dimmest people I've ever encountered. No matter how many times it has been explained to you, how a football club's accounts work, you continue to bash the keyboard with your face and post this utter drivel. Shut the fuck up or post a proper response man Wullie, you really do take the piss at times. And I respect you as a fan as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Ian, for the last 3 seasons we have been fairly close to CL qualification twice (one very close), with a squad assembled on a shoestring and managed by a dead average manager. Graham Carr is doing a fantastic job of spotting talent early, it's the doing the deals part that's sometimes letting us down (Thauvin, Aubameyang, just to name two examples). Now, if Ashley were to trust Carr's judgement a little bit more and was willing to spend that little bit of extra money it sometimes takes (our money btw, not his), not only could that make the difference between being close and actually challenging up there, but it would also make sense financially for him to do so. The same thing goes for (not) replacing the manager. Again, it comes down to trying to be the best we possibly can vs being happy with mediocrity. Good post, I admit we're too tight with transfer fees a lot of the time, I've never said otherwise. I just not convinced that Ashley believes signing a couple more players like the ones you mention would translate into CL qualification, and I can understand that based on how football is now structured. All that would be understandable if Mike Ashley was an insurance salesman, but he's supposed to be a gambling, entrepreneurial, risk taking, aggressive character. So what he's not convinced a relatively small outlay (in relative terms of course) will guarantee CL qualification and financial success? Nah, it's wholly out of character as well as insensible, and therefore his reasons for not investing cannot logically be financial or economical, they must be of a personal nature (i.e. revenge for calling him a fat cockney or something). He is gambling though, On our ability to stay in the Premier League albeit it not this season but if this is the policy our long term future is in doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Wait, we've got ourselves a billionaire owner who gets his kicks from starving a football club of investment and gambling how long it can stay in the Premiership? Edit: I think I've seen this shit on Law & Order or somesuch before. You have these perverts who get off on kidknapping people and then starving them, but just keeping them alive on a few drops of water and crumbs of bread every day. This is what's happening in a way, and Ian and the likes have full on Stockholm syndrom.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Just abandon all hope and stop thinking about it. It's the only way out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We're somewhere between 38-45m + pounds up on transfers + extra TV money. No excuse not to get a couple of much needed players in this window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We're somewhere between 38-45m + pounds up on transfers + extra TV money. No excuse not to get a couple of much needed players in this window. Yet there is still some justification by some on here. Insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We're somewhere between 38-45m + pounds up on transfers + extra TV money. No excuse not to get a couple of much needed players in this window. Doesnt the 45 millon figure plus the 60 million TV revenue cover his loan? Just trying to find some solace if the loan is indeed repaid then the fat cunt may be preparing his exit strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We're somewhere between 38-45m + pounds up on transfers + extra TV money. No excuse not to get a couple of much needed players in this window. Doesnt the 45 millon figure plus the 60 million TV revenue cover his loan? Just trying to find some solace if the loan is indeed repaid then the fat cunt may be preparing his exit strategy. Would should he leave now? He could pocket the cash from now on as profits and have a nice earner for the next 5 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We have a good 17 players and the rest are dross - Krul - Debuchy - Mbiwa - Colo - Williamson - Taylor (At least not too bad) - Santon - Haidara - Tiote - Anita - Sissoko - Gouff - Ben Arfa - Marveaux - Remy - *De Jong - *Cisse * Potentially anyway Sammy, Dummet, Campbell, Vuckic, Armstrong maybe have potential but appear a long way off, although Sammy looks improved. Not a lot of creativity - I've come to hate deadline day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 4th Yeah. Sorry! Point remains. The point remains devoid of context and not worth the bytes used to make it. Just shut up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We are just a Krul and Williamson injury away from not winning another game this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 @mattyd128: So it seems Cabaye (speaking on BT) was sold on Newcastle by the club's plans to challenge for the champions league places @NUFCThreatLevel. Wat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 @mattyd128: So it seems Cabaye (speaking on BT) was sold on Newcastle by the club's plans to challenge for the champions league places @NUFCThreatLevel. Wat? He agreed to join us because we told him we'd be challenging for Champions League places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 @mattyd128: So it seems Cabaye (speaking on BT) was sold on Newcastle by the club's plans to challenge for the champions league places @NUFCThreatLevel. To be fair, we did challenge for a champion's league spot one season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 @mattyd128: So it seems Cabaye (speaking on BT) was sold on Newcastle by the club's plans to challenge for the champions league places @NUFCThreatLevel. Wat? He agreed to join us because we told him we'd be challenging for Champions League places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chizzletooth Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 4th Yeah. Sorry! Point remains. The point remains devoid of context and not worth the bytes used to make it. Just shut up. I've provided plenty of context. You just don't agree with any of it. I won't be shutting up so you'd best add me to ignore or do whatever it is you do when you meet someone who doesn't share all your opinions on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 4th Yeah. Sorry! Point remains. The point remains devoid of context and not worth the bytes used to make it. Just shut up. I've provided plenty of context. You just don't agree with any of it. I won't be shutting up so you'd best add me to ignore or do whatever it is you do when you meet someone who doesn't share all your opinions on things. I hadn't read through the thread at that point. I have now, still think you're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Man, that's a good price. What are we doing?! The thread title could also do with updating. Sort it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Man, that's a good price. What are we doing?! Offering less than it. If we know he's available for 10 we'd probably offer 6. Even though we'd offer 10 if they said 15. That's what it feels like... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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