The College Dropout Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Nobody in here has given him any genuine plaudits. He's just done more than most in our terrible team. Including a number of options at CM including Anita and Carver-era Abeid. You are correct about the media but it's not really the media. Just John Carver frin wghat iv;e seen The guy got an England call up this season, with the current England manager actually referring to him as the Ginger Pirlo (whether in jest or not, it was ridiculous). He got that after one decent performance against City. These days you are one decent performance away from a call-up in CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Very definition of average. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 He would start. Are you telling me Colback isn't in the same league as the likes of McCarthy, Shelvey, Ki, Besic, Gibson, Barry, Osman, Britton and Cork? A few months ago, people were saying how Anita could be a useful "cog" with the right players around him. That's how I see Colback. With the right players around him, he could do an effective job of spraying the ball around and winning tackles. McCarthy for one is far more similar to Abeid in his game to Colback. He is constantly involved, great at closing down opposition midfielders and a good tackler. Colback is far more laid back and trots around at a sedate pace which is why people complain about him hiding during matches. Technically I don't have any problems with Colback, I just don't think he's involved enough and tends to get dominated as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Where's he been during this run in where we've been so poor? He's absolutely s*** the bed. Has hid. I have to wonder if he has some bits of foreign DNA floating about in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 All this 'he's good in possession' and 'ticks things along nicely' is absolute fucking crap man The guy's first touch is especially turboshite (the amount of times he loses possession immediately after receiving the ball or is forced to go backwards due to a heavy touch is ridiculous), his range of passing is below average (he especially struggles with the weight...watching him ping it vociferously at a team mate who's 5 yards away is hilarious), his positioning is playground-like (hence his constant need to charge around the pitch like a ginger lunatic...he's hardly ever in good positions with or without the ball, always 'on the edge' if you like) and he's about as composed in the middle of the park as a cat with early signs of dementia. The fact that he's been one of our better performers in midfield this season speaks volumes about the amount of times he's been selected. If he makes a mistake, it's glossed over. If Abeid or Anita make a mistake- christ. They're publicly and privately ridiculed. He's done some good things for us (as you would expect a PL-level footballer to do, his goals and assists record attests to that) but the praise for him by the club, media and some on here is staggering imo. Reminds me of that famous Shola clip, ''It's difficult when you're second touch is a tackle''. Unbelievable the amount of times his first touch result in him having to making a lunging tackle to try and win it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 He's not specifically the problem, but definitely not the solution. He's treading water, doing just enough to get by. You can point to goals and assists, those are 10 or so 'moments' in a season. He's a moments player, doing absolutely fuck all the rest of the time. During his 6 game spell Abeid showed the ability to control the game, something we have lacked ever since. With Carvjew the policy is to throw enough shit at the wall and hope some sticks. that's why he wants 11 Jack Colbacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Colback would be on the bench of any half decent Premier League club. Baffles me why so many fans in real life rate the lad, am I missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 He's not specifically the problem, but definitely not the solution. He's treading water, doing just enough to get by. You can point to goals and assists, those are 10 or so 'moments' in a season. He's a moments player, doing absolutely fuck all the rest of the time. During his 6 game spell Abeid showed the ability to control the game, something we have lacked ever since. With Carvjew the policy is to throw enough shit at the wall and hope some sticks. that's why he wants 11 Jack Colbacks. I think the main problem I have with him is that Anita and Abeid aren't playing. In a team proven time and time again not to be able to control possession or influence the tempo of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 The main problem is Ryan Taylor is playing. Overall Colback has been better than Anita and Carver-era Abeid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Come on man, what does Carver-era Abeid mean? Every time he's played he's looking better than any of the other options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Come on man, what does Carver-era Abeid mean? Every time he's played he's looking better than any of the other options. I don't think he has looked the same since the return from injury. Lacking in confidence, imo, as is the whole team, tbf. Anita must be my Colback, because the boy has been here three years and is yet t=o establish himself in any way other than being squad filler. Why are people still asking for him? His best performances of this season were at fullback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm still asking for him because he's better on the ball than anyone else in our midfield, and shows for the ball better, and we're unable to retain possession for more than about 10 seconds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zicomartin Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Carver is constantly on his (MA's) back, shouting at him and undermining him when he is on the field, immediately hauling him off when we are behind or when he makes a mistake. At which point, we concede any control of the rest of the game in midfield and start hoofing it at Perez or Armstrong. MA would actually look good as a B2B midfielder with Tiote behind him, IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Come on man, what does Carver-era Abeid mean? Every time he's played he's looking better than any of the other options. He's only played 90 minutes 6 times all season, twice under Carver. Odd to make judgements about pre and post-Carver Abeid when he's played so few games in either 'era'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Come on man, what does Carver-era Abeid mean? Every time he's played he's looking better than any of the other options. Nah for me he's been poor since he's come back from injury. It was the game after the one where he made the big mistake and Carver had scapgoated him. He looked nervous every time he got the ball. Misplaced a number of simple passes. The lads head was clearly gone - rattled. It could've been the mistake from the previous game or the comments but he looked very nervous. Then hauled off I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Colback would be on the bench of any half decent Premier League club. Baffles me why so many fans in real life rate the lad, am I missing something? That he's currently started over 30 games in a team that is 1 game off relegation? So that must make him at least responsible for the terrible performance considering his been at the heart midfield for them all. If he was actually a decent player, he would turn games round, dominate midfield and carry his partnering CM if he was having a bad game. When in fact he doesn't do any of those things, infact he does nothing of note. He has a couple of goals granted, but you would expect this from any central midfielder, yet they never come when we really need them. They are never match winning goals or absolute worldies like Cabaye could score. His assists have either been long balls (Sammy v Spurs, not intentional as we always hammer the ball from kick off towards the LW or RW), or have been delivered from a set piece where somebody has to perform a ridiculous touch in order to encourage it goal bound (See Perez v Arsenal). He never picks out a killer through ball, he never splits a defence, he can't even switch the play. There is a reason we struggle so badly with him in midfield. He's shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Nah, Abeid has noticeably dropped of performance wise to how he was playing in that spell. Playing as the holder brought the best of him, with sissoko on the right and colback on the left. Abeid appeared to have the toughest skill of all which is that of controlling the game, just 'knowing' where the ball needs to go next and appreciating the space around him. It's what Michael Carrick has, Andrea Pirlo, the great holders. Just watch the way they manipulate the ball around like a silent conductor. It's glorious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm still asking for him because he's better on the ball than anyone else in our midfield, and shows for the ball better, and we're unable to retain possession for more than about 10 seconds. It's actually been his passing that has looked off in recent months. IMO his biggest strength is that he can get around the pitch making tackles and interceptions with relative ease and showing for passes. Anita & Colback really struggle to cover the ground. As if they are chasing the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Carver is constantly on his (MA's) back, shouting at him and undermining him when he is on the field, immediately hauling him off when we are behind or when he makes a mistake. At which point, we concede any control of the rest of the game in midfield and start hoofing it at Perez or Armstrong. MA would actually look good as a B2B midfielder with Tiote behind him, IMO Tiote plays best when he's asked to make the tackle and lay it off to someone else, when you ask him to do anything but that it becomes a car crash. Tiote sits back and mops up, lays it off to Abied who can control the tempo of the game, that would be the best pairing imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm still asking for him because he's better on the ball than anyone else in our midfield, and shows for the ball better, and we're unable to retain possession for more than about 10 seconds. It's actually been his passing that has looked off in recent months. IMO his biggest strength is that he can get around the pitch making tackles and interceptions with relative ease and showing for passes. Anita & Colback really struggle to cover the ground. As if they are chasing the game. Which is why I would really like him to be starting more games, and with some support from the manager and given a decent run of games I am sure Abeid would have shown those qualities. Abeid and Tiote get involved and dominate, they don't stand back and admire the opposition. Anita and Colback both have trouble covering ground quickly enough, that's why Colback often ends up lunging in and making late tackles. Anita has quicker acceleration so he can usually time them better, both of them are inferior as athletes to Tiote and Abeid. But obviously the bigger problem is Ryan Taylor right now. The only reason he is is down to the combined efforts of Ashley, Kinnear and now Carver. It's the 101 on how to spectacularly implode a football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm still asking for him because he's better on the ball than anyone else in our midfield, and shows for the ball better, and we're unable to retain possession for more than about 10 seconds. It's actually been his passing that has looked off in recent months. IMO his biggest strength is that he can get around the pitch making tackles and interceptions with relative ease and showing for passes. Anita & Colback really struggle to cover the ground. As if they are chasing the game. Soz I was talking about Anita. I agree with Abeid's strengths though, although I think his passing might improve once he bedded in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zicomartin Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 To paraphrase Thomas Tuchel, you find out your individual players' strengths and play to them. Not our fuckwits, and their uncanny ability to totally ruin everybody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Anita is just anonymous both ways. It is true that at the very least Colback will put a foot in to remind the opposition he is in fact playing. Anita doesn't even bother to do that. Anita has looked best at FB this season - how he lost his place to Jonas... I do know tbf. We have a lot of average to crap options at CM. Colback isn't the worst by a longshot. The lad playing next to him is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm still asking for him because he's better on the ball than anyone else in our midfield, and shows for the ball better, and we're unable to retain possession for more than about 10 seconds. It's actually been his passing that has looked off in recent months. IMO his biggest strength is that he can get around the pitch making tackles and interceptions with relative ease and showing for passes. Anita & Colback really struggle to cover the ground. As if they are chasing the game. Soz I was talking about Anita. I agree with Abeid's strengths though, although I think his passing might improve once he bedded in. Anita's been awful. He's just as anonymous, if not more than Colback. Passing? Get out. His pass success rate must be no better than Colback's and neither are ambitious on the ball. He moves his a bit quicker but.... he's been awful. At cm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Well OK, we're not going to agree on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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