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I personally think he's had a better season than most of the squad of attacking players and believe he should be fighting for a starting position or on the bench. He's in outrageous form, world class form tbh. They could probably get away with playing Griezmann, Martial and Hatem in a front 3 with Matuidi, Kante and Pogba behind them and be perfectly fine.

 

Probably get massively slated for my views above.

 

Swap out Martial for Benzema and that's actually quite a frightening line up.

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I personally think he's had a better season than most of the squad of attacking players and believe he should be fighting for a starting position or on the bench. He's in outrageous form, world class form tbh. They could probably get away with playing Griezmann, Martial and Hatem in a front 3 with Matuidi, Kante and Pogba behind them and be perfectly fine.

 

Probably get massively slated for my views above.

 

Swap out Martial for Benzema and that's actually quite a frightening line up.

 

I ignored Benzema b/c he's suspended. But agree.

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I personally think he's had a better season than most of the squad of attacking players and believe he should be fighting for a starting position or on the bench. He's in outrageous form, world class form tbh. They could probably get away with playing Griezmann, Martial and Hatem in a front 3 with Matuidi, Kante and Pogba behind them and be perfectly fine.

 

Probably get massively slated for my views above.

 

At this moment in time, I think both Lacazette and Gameiro are better options at striker than Martial.

 

Otherwise I would agree, pretty hard to leave Payet out though after the season he's had.

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If the season he's had doesn't get him into the squad then he has no chance. Pretty much the best player in the league, fit all season and loads of goals and assists in an average team. Deschamps just doesn't like him. Yes they have a good squad but he should definitely be going.

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I personally think he's had a better season than most of the squad of attacking players and believe he should be fighting for a starting position or on the bench. He's in outrageous form, world class form tbh. They could probably get away with playing Griezmann, Martial and Hatem in a front 3 with Matuidi, Kante and Pogba behind them and be perfectly fine.

 

Probably get massively slated for my views above.

 

Why? all that is completely true, IMO anyway. :lol:

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Think he offers far more than Payet does, who is a brilliant attacking player in his own right - but Payet doesn't have the explosive attacking ability that HBA has and he's not going to do anything better in open play. Perhaps from free kicks you're probably still going to have Pogba take those, no?

 

Don't know, just find Deschamps/Blanc and all this so incredibly frustrating because I'd really like Hatem to just get his chance and show what he's all about. His general swagger and interviews and the way he's carried himself this season has been top notch.

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Think he offers far more than Payet does, who is a brilliant attacking player in his own right - but Payet doesn't have the explosive attacking ability that HBA has and he's not going to do anything better in open play. Perhaps from free kicks you're probably still going to have Pogba take those, no?

 

Don't know, just find Deschamps/Blanc and all this so incredibly frustrating because I'd really like Hatem to just get his chance and show what he's all about. His general swagger and interviews and the way he's carried himself this season has been top notch.

Far more is a ridiculous thing to say considering Payet has just performed better in a full Premier League Season than Ben Arfa ever did.

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Think he offers far more than Payet does, who is a brilliant attacking player in his own right - but Payet doesn't have the explosive attacking ability that HBA has and he's not going to do anything better in open play. Perhaps from free kicks you're probably still going to have Pogba take those, no?

 

Don't know, just find Deschamps/Blanc and all this so incredibly frustrating because I'd really like Hatem to just get his chance and show what he's all about. His general swagger and interviews and the way he's carried himself this season has been top notch.

Far more is a ridiculous thing to say considering Payet has just performed better in a full Premier League Season than Ben Arfa ever did.

 

Trolling away this Friday, I see.

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But Ben Arfa had to deal with injuries and Alan Pardew...odd comparison.  Think Hatem's season with Nice wrecks anything Payet has done when he was over in France.

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But Ben Arfa had to deal with injuries and Alan Pardew...odd comparison.  Think Hatem's season with Nice wrecks anything Payet has done when he was over in France.

 

Payet's last season in France was pretty exceptional, like :lol:

 

7 goals in 38 games? not that exceptional. :lol: He never really had an exceptional year in France, which is why most media people where so surprised with how successful he's been in England. He never really had a consistent year ( or even few months tbh :lol: ) until this season.

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But Ben Arfa had to deal with injuries and Alan Pardew...odd comparison.  Think Hatem's season with Nice wrecks anything Payet has done when he was over in France.

 

Payet's last season in France was pretty exceptional, like :lol:

 

7 goals in 38 games? not that exceptional. :lol: He never really had an exceptional year in France, which is why most media people where so surprised with how successful he's been in England. He never really had a consistent year ( or even few months tbh :lol: ) until this season.

 

Rocking 17 assists. He's an attacking mid rather than a goalscorer and he was one of the best players in Ligue 1 last year, no doubt.

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Think he offers far more than Payet does, who is a brilliant attacking player in his own right - but Payet doesn't have the explosive attacking ability that HBA has and he's not going to do anything better in open play. Perhaps from free kicks you're probably still going to have Pogba take those, no?

 

Don't know, just find Deschamps/Blanc and all this so incredibly frustrating because I'd really like Hatem to just get his chance and show what he's all about. His general swagger and interviews and the way he's carried himself this season has been top notch.

Far more is a ridiculous thing to say considering Payet has just performed better in a full Premier League Season than Ben Arfa ever did.

 

Trolling away this Friday, I see.

 

Well, it is a fact mind.

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Cantona is bullshitting, as always. We have an Arab god in France, named Zidane. HBA's North African origins don't explain directly the reason why Deschamps did not pick him. However, it may have had a soft, indirect influence.

I have no clear evidence of what I’m about to say. This is a feeling, more than a rigorous analysis. Rightly or wrongly, HBA is categorized, in France, as an unstable player, having problems with authority, and especially with his coaches. For all we know, there have been some incidents, but minor ones actually (even insignificant), and for which it's been revealed that HBA was not all wrong. The problem is that this last aspect does not matter here: once you are labeled as a pariah, it is enduring. And this is where his origins come into play. That a young Arab man has problems with authority seems almost natural to many, or at least it is expected. So when it happens, we may make the link with his origins, and think it was actually the cause of such a behavior. Being an Arab and an unsubordinated player is a package.

If you behave well, being an Arab is no problem. If you make one mistake, you’ll hardly have a second chance, when others might. 

When Griezmann makes a mistake, and he did a big one is the past, this does not happen. He is punished, but we think he deserves a second chance. And if he behaves well, then we can move on. This was only fair. We thought it could have been a one-time mistake. In this case there was nothing that could let us believe that this bad behavior was anything structural. As a consequence, he did not become a pariah. Today we all forgot about that incident.

As an Arab, HBA does not have this chance, or has is to a lesser extent. We believe he had fights because he was an Arab. And the problem is that he is still one, and this will not change. So why give him another chance? This is not a matter of temporary behavior. This is a matter of his real nature in people’s eyes. So here, contrary to Griezmann, there is reason to think that this was a one-time mistake. Today, a strong argument that is made against Ben Arfa is that he would not have behaved well as a substitute. He will cause troubles. This belief is due to these stories.  The cause of his assumed bad behavior has not been removed: his origins.

To sum up, if he was not picked, it is not because he is an Arab. It’s because is a pariah. But being an Arab can easily make you so.

 

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Cantona is bullshitting, as always. We have an Arab god in France, named Zidane. HBA's North African origins don't explain directly the reason why Deschamps did not pick him. However, it may have had a soft, indirect influence.

I have no clear evidence of what I’m about to say. This is a feeling, more than a rigorous analysis. Rightly or wrongly, HBA is categorized, in France, as an unstable player, having problems with authority, and especially with his coaches. For all we know, there have been some incidents, but minor ones actually (even insignificant), and for which it's been revealed that HBA was not all wrong. The problem is that this last aspect does not matter here: once you are labeled as a pariah, it is enduring. And this is where his origins come into play. That a young Arab man has problems with authority seems almost natural to many, or at least it is expected. So when it happens, we may make the link with his origins, and think it was actually the cause of such a behavior. Being an Arab and an unsubordinated player is a package.

If you behave well, being an Arab is no problem. If you make one mistake, you’ll hardly have a second chance, when others might. 

When Griezmann makes a mistake, and he did a big one is the past, this does not happen. He is punished, but we think he deserves a second chance. And if he behaves well, then we can move on. This was only fair. We thought it could have been a one-time mistake. In this case there was nothing that could let us believe that this bad behavior was anything structural. As a consequence, he did not become a pariah. Today we all forgot about that incident.

As an Arab, HBA does not have this chance, or has is to a lesser extent. We believe he had fights because he was an Arab. And the problem is that he is still one, and this will not change. So why give him another chance? This is not a matter of temporary behavior. This is a matter of his real nature in people’s eyes. So here, contrary to Griezmann, there is reason to think that this was a one-time mistake. Today, a strong argument that is made against Ben Arfa is that he would not have behaved well as a substitute. He will cause troubles. This belief is due to these stories.  The cause of his assumed bad behavior has not been removed: his origins.

To sum up, if he was not picked, it is not because he is an Arab. It’s because is a pariah. But being an Arab can easily make you so.

 

 

:lol: Good to know.

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Cantona is bullshitting, as always. We have an Arab god in France, named Zidane. HBA's North African origins don't explain directly the reason why Deschamps did not pick him. However, it may have had a soft, indirect influence.

I have no clear evidence of what I’m about to say. This is a feeling, more than a rigorous analysis. Rightly or wrongly, HBA is categorized, in France, as an unstable player, having problems with authority, and especially with his coaches. For all we know, there have been some incidents, but minor ones actually (even insignificant), and for which it's been revealed that HBA was not all wrong. The problem is that this last aspect does not matter here: once you are labeled as a pariah, it is enduring. And this is where his origins come into play. That a young Arab man has problems with authority seems almost natural to many, or at least it is expected. So when it happens, we may make the link with his origins, and think it was actually the cause of such a behavior. Being an Arab and an unsubordinated player is a package.

If you behave well, being an Arab is no problem. If you make one mistake, you’ll hardly have a second chance, when others might. 

When Griezmann makes a mistake, and he did a big one is the past, this does not happen. He is punished, but we think he deserves a second chance. And if he behaves well, then we can move on. This was only fair. We thought it could have been a one-time mistake. In this case there was nothing that could let us believe that this bad behavior was anything structural. As a consequence, he did not become a pariah. Today we all forgot about that incident.

As an Arab, HBA does not have this chance, or has is to a lesser extent. We believe he had fights because he was an Arab. And the problem is that he is still one, and this will not change. So why give him another chance? This is not a matter of temporary behavior. This is a matter of his real nature in people’s eyes. So here, contrary to Griezmann, there is reason to think that this was a one-time mistake. Today, a strong argument that is made against Ben Arfa is that he would not have behaved well as a substitute. He will cause troubles. This belief is due to these stories.  The cause of his assumed bad behavior has not been removed: his origins.

To sum up, if he was not picked, it is not because he is an Arab. It’s because is a pariah. But being an Arab can easily make you so.

 

 

Are you French, my friend? I am interested that there is a distinction between "Arabs" and others. If they grew up in France, are they not French too?

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