Guest palnese Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback. I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback. I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all. And it's the reason Ben Arfa will never make it as a top player. Too often any criticism of him is met with a wall of nonsense about Gouffran etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback. I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all. And it's the reason Ben Arfa will never make it as a top player. Too often any criticism of him is met with a wall of nonsense about Gouffran etc. Tell that to Romario then. Never even went to training or ran and was the world best player at one point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback. I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all. And it's the reason Ben Arfa will never make it as a top player. Too often any criticism of him is met with a wall of nonsense about Gouffran etc. Tell that to Romario then. Never even went to training or ran and was the world best player at one point. And Kanu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Oh great, this argument again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Whatever Dave, you lazy cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 WHATEVZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback. I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all. And it's the reason Ben Arfa will never make it as a top player. Too often any criticism of him is met with a wall of nonsense about Gouffran etc. Such rubbish. Lack of work rate was never his problem at NUFC. He went months where he barely figured. Was clearly deemed a luxury player by the clueless gobshite we all know is a clueless gobshite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Oh jolly, the revisionists are out in force today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Christ alive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Don't think his work rate was that much of a problem at Newcastle for the record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I reckon we'll get to the bottom of it tonight tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 please try, I've discovered a way to turn tedium into pizza and I'm starving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I reckon we'll get to the bottom of it tonight tbh. Someone get KI in here, he has a gift for settling an argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I reckon we'll get to the bottom of it tonight tbh. NLPW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Couldn't give a shite what happened at Hull. He was one of our best players, a matchwinner and someone who made me want to watch football... and he was ostracised for negatives that were comfortably outweighed by his positives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 please try, I've discovered a way to turn tedium into pizza and I'm starving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 There's a difference between "not grafting" and running less than your goalkeeper. I wouldn't play him either if actually moved less than their goalkeeper, regardless of talent. It's about respecting your teammates, hell even the fans. I know it's not popular around here, but hard work is a pretty big factor in the game. There's a massive difference between Jonas circa 2012 hard work and Gouffran 2014 hard work. That's the kind of 'graft' that draws people's ire. Anyway I didn't watch the Man Utd game where Ben Arfa was taken off after 35 minutes () but I assume the stats are either bullshit or McGregor was desperate for a shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I reckon we'll get to the bottom of it tonight tbh. Someone get KI in here, he has a gift for settling an argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 As soon as Hatem sparked The King out in the dressing room he was doomed to be a 'fat, useless waster' in the eyes of his acolytes. Anyone who was looking with clarity throughout that period saw him for the obvious and blatant talent that he is. It's now clearer than ever too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Did he knock Pardew out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Power Bombed him through a bench before The Big Shola stepped in iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 His defense wasn't even that bad he was just forced to be deep sometimes when he really shouldn't have been, for example i don't recall the fullback getting bombarded with zero help from Ben Arfa like Sissoko did against Norwich numerous times. It's all bollocks and always has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Knacked Pardew's gooch iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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