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Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback.

 

I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all.

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Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback.

 

I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all.

 

:thup: And it's the reason Ben Arfa will never make it as a top player. Too often any criticism of him is met with a wall of nonsense about Gouffran etc.

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Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback.

 

I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all.

 

:thup: And it's the reason Ben Arfa will never make it as a top player. Too often any criticism of him is met with a wall of nonsense about Gouffran etc.

 

Tell that to Romario then. Never  even went to training or ran and was the world best player at one point.

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Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback.

 

I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all.

 

:thup: And it's the reason Ben Arfa will never make it as a top player. Too often any criticism of him is met with a wall of nonsense about Gouffran etc.

 

Tell that to Romario then. Never  even went to training or ran and was the world best player at one point.

 

And Kanu

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Plus, don't think anyone is bashing "hard work" as a quality for a player to have. Just that it can't be the only thing and especially it can't be something for a player to hide behind. Like Alan Smith's version of grafting, or Colback.

 

I think hard work should be the minimum expected from any player. Talented or not, give it your all.

 

:thup: And it's the reason Ben Arfa will never make it as a top player. Too often any criticism of him is met with a wall of nonsense about Gouffran etc.

Such rubbish. Lack of work rate was never his problem at NUFC. He went months where he barely figured. Was clearly deemed a luxury player by the clueless gobshite we all know is a clueless gobshite.

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Couldn't give a shite what happened at Hull. He was one of our best players, a matchwinner and someone who made me want to watch football... and he was ostracised for negatives that were comfortably outweighed by his positives.

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There's a difference between "not grafting" and running less than your goalkeeper. I wouldn't play him either if  actually moved less than their goalkeeper, regardless of talent. It's about respecting your teammates, hell even the fans. I know it's not popular around here, but hard work is a pretty big factor in the game.

There's a massive difference between Jonas circa 2012 hard work and Gouffran 2014 hard work. That's the kind of 'graft' that draws people's ire.

 

Anyway I didn't watch the Man Utd game where Ben Arfa was taken off after 35 minutes (:lol:) but I assume the stats are either bullshit or McGregor was desperate for a shite.

 

:lol:

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As soon as Hatem sparked The King out in the dressing room he was doomed to be a 'fat, useless waster' in the eyes of his acolytes. Anyone who was looking with clarity throughout that period saw him for the obvious and blatant talent that he is. It's now clearer than ever too.

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His defense wasn't even that bad :lol: he was just forced to be deep sometimes when he really shouldn't have been, for example i don't recall the fullback getting bombarded with zero help from Ben Arfa like Sissoko did against Norwich numerous times.

 

It's all bollocks and always has been.

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