Guest firetotheworks Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Aye, that's exactly what I said, didn't I? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You said it's 'blatantly bullshit from the club'. The club said he's overweight. Posters on NO have been saying he's overweight for the past couple of years. Correct anything incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Dnipro mentioned this morning as a possible destination. There is no way he will go there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Galatasaray also mentioned on SSN for £1.5m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Galatasaray also mentioned on SSN for £1.5m. is it me or.....if he's available for under £5m, why aren't tons of clubs lining up to take a chance on him?! even sunderland? he's such an immense player who just needs a little guidance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Asked if he had been tempted to play Ben Arfa against Wednesday, Pardew said bluntly: “Hatem wasn’t here.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Surely the point is not whether or not he is/has been overweight, it's what end that is bring used for that is the source of bullshit? It's not conspiracy that they want shot of him. Hasn't been as big an issue with other players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Galatasaray also mentioned on SSN for £1.5m. is it me or.....if he's available for under £5m, why aren't tons of clubs lining up to take a chance on him?! even sunderland? he's such an immense player who just needs a little guidance. The fact that despite his immense talent he's managed to fall out with every single club he's been at so far may have something to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Such an immense player on his day. Will be saddened to see him leave. I think it's a big mistake letting him go, and I think Newcastle should do anything in their power to fix this relationship. Obviously there's two sides to the story, so Hatem needs to do his part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You said it's 'blatantly bullshit from the club'. The club said he's overweight. Posters on NO have been saying he's overweight for the past couple of years. Correct anything incorrect. It's incorrect to think that that's the reason that he's being shunned. As Dave said... If it's just about his weight, I expect to see him back in shape and back in the squad very soon seeing as he's in full training now and probably our most talented player. Oh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Imagine being the manager and actively forcing out the player you openly admitted scored the best goal you ever witnessed. He also said he was "the reason supporters pay their money" after Villa last year. Benched him forever not long after that of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 My point will always be that a talented player with well-publicised problems with insecurity and self-esteem is sort of expected to go off the rails a little bit when they're rejected whilst playing out of their skin. You nurture people that you care about in real life and if there's a professional advantage in doing the same, you make a point of doing it. Pardew did the exact opposite at the start of last season by systematically ostracising him when he was in very good form. All of the blame attached to Ben Arfa since then will always be attributed to that and it won't go away until he's through this episode or he moves on and a manager accepts him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 My point will always be that a talented player with well-publicised problems with insecurity and self-esteem is sort of expected to go off the rails a little bit when they're rejected whilst playing out of their skin. You nurture people that you care about in real life and if there's a professional advantage in doing the same, you make a point of doing it. Pardew did the exact opposite at the start of last season by systematically ostracising him when he was in very good form. All of the blame attached to Ben Arfa since then will always be attributed to that and it won't go away until he's through this episode or he moves on and a manager accepts him. I generally accept that Ben Arfa is a pretty woeful professional but the manager of such a talent should learn how to get the best from him. We have failed miserably at this. Very disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Was he overweight? Wasn't he? Does it matter? He might well have been but it's pre season and no excuse to be ostracised. Arguing over who hates the regime more by showing how little you believe they say is a waste of time. Ultimately it's pardew being a nob end causing the problems, not Ben arfas professionalism, or lack of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 There's so many rumours flying about, again it's one of those things that is impossible to judge without actually having been behind the 'closed doors'. I've read stuff as far reaching as that Ben Arfa punched Pardew last season. Given the way HBA has been treated you wouldn't entirely rule it out. Ben Arfa is always going to be more popular than Pardew, but it seems only a great manager will ever be able to consistently get the best out of him. We all know Pardew isn't that so that's that really. Only hope is that he's loaned out and Pardew is sacked, but the likelihood of that seems pretty bloody remote now. Would rather support the players we have got that are likely to feature than discuss one there's nothing any of us can do about. We'll always have the memories, especially the Bolton/Blackburn goals and how he ripped apart Villa. And how shit he was against Everton and I think Hull at the start of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 There's so many rumours flying about, again it's one of those things that is impossible to judge without actually having been behind the 'closed doors'. I've read stuff as far reaching as that Ben Arfa punched Pardew last season. Given the way HBA has been treated you wouldn't entirely rule it out. Ben Arfa is always going to be more popular than Pardew, but it seems only a great manager will ever be able to consistently get the best out of him. We all know Pardew isn't that so that's that really. Only hope is that he's loaned out and Pardew is sacked, but the likelihood of that seems pretty bloody remote now. Would rather support the players we have got that are likely to feature than discuss one there's nothing any of us can do about. We'll always have the memories, especially the Bolton/Blackburn goals and how he ripped apart Villa. And how s*** he was against Everton and I think Hull at the start of last season. Summed up well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The only saving grace is that Ashley is supposedly a fan of Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Dnipro mentioned this morning as a possible destination. There is no way he will go there. As if he gives too much shit about his career, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Was he overweight? Wasn't he? Does it matter? He might well have been but it's pre season and no excuse to be ostracised. Arguing over who hates the regime more by showing how little you believe they say is a waste of time. Ultimately it's pardew being a nob end causing the problems, not Ben arfas professionalism, or lack of. I haven't read many people complaining about Jonas or Obertan being ostracised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Was he overweight? Wasn't he? Does it matter? He might well have been but it's pre season and no excuse to be ostracised. Arguing over who hates the regime more by showing how little you believe they say is a waste of time. Ultimately it's pardew being a nob end causing the problems, not Ben arfas professionalism, or lack of. I haven't read many people complaining about Jonas or Obertan being ostracised. Does it really need to be pointed out why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Because they are crap, although it's still wrong way to treat them mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Aye, Ben Arfa might be a fat unprofessional git but GRRRR PARDEW. We don't need no rationality GRRRRRRR PARDEW. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Some textbook loki bollocks, there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Some textbook loki bollocks, there. You've excelled your usual level of contribution also. You managed a post with only one 'I' in it. edit: sorry, don't cry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Because they are crap, although it's still wrong way to treat them mind. Treatment of Jonas was poor aye, as he was pretty much a regular in the starting eleven, then all of the sudden told he wouldn't feature anymore without us even bringing in a replacement. Not that it wasn't the right thing to do, as I was going mental having to watch him every week. Obertan though can have no complaints, he's been given enough chances and shown that he wasn't up for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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