Crystal Palace manager

[Hudson]

  On 09/12/2014 at 10:14, Kid Icarus said:

Mourinho uses or used FM like, there's no getting away from that. It's also about to be used by clubs for scouting. I'm dubious, but it's no less implausible than using prozone etc just because it's a video game.

 

It's used all over the World and has tie ins with Prozone

 

http://www.cityam.com/1407765873/premier-league-clubs-use-football-manager-stats-recruit-players

 

 

According to The Times, who were granted access to the elite software by Prozone, Recruiter contains video footage of every game played in the world's top 35 leagues, covering 250,00 players who can then be analysed by 400 separate criteria.

 

[Ste]

There's merits to using the game to make your life as a manager easier, I just don't see how a top FM player would make a good manager. So much more to managing, the pressures alone are far different and then you have the human side to it, managing 25 men from different backgrounds with different demands and issues. You might get a good idea of the tactical side to it, but the games have exploits where certain formations and training set ups get great results on that version of the game.

[Guest firetotheworks]

  On 09/12/2014 at 10:29, Ste said:

There's merits to using the game to make your life as a manager easier, I just don't see how a top FM player would make a good manager. So much more to managing, the pressures alone are far different and then you have the human side to it, managing 25 men from different backgrounds with different demands and issues. You might get a good idea of the tactical side to it, but the games have exploits where certain formations and training set ups get great results on that version of the game.

 

I think the point is that it's obviously going to help someone rather than hinder them.

[Ste]

I read an article a few years ago which pointed out the wonder kids of games gone by who had gone on to be brilliant in real life. Vincent Kompany was one. Then you have guys like vanden Borre who didn't live up to their FM ability.

 

Wenger is a definite advocate of the game IMO.

[Mole_Toonfan]

  On 08/12/2014 at 20:32, Dave said:

It's an interesting theory, but talk of computer game players being better at the real thing is a bit cringey IMO. No matter how advanced the software is, it's all still 100% theoretical.

 

No better but there's reason at all, someone couldn't use that as a platform to learn the craft as a basis to start from and then learn as much about the craft as possible from other mediums.

 

Be it watching and analysing thousands upon thousands of tapes, reading about inspirational tactical thinkers who have inspired managers today.

 

Like Wenger, Ancelotti and Mourinho for example. They obviously took what they learnt from somewhere and someone. Things like could mould a successful manager or coach with the right opportunity.

[Darth Crooks]

It's such a closed shop nobody has any idea what would work well.

[Mick]

“Rob’s been struggling for three games but we have had to play him. We thought we’d get through it."

[NG32]

Are people advocating that playing FM would make you a good of a football team, or even just a half decent manager?  :lol:

 

So, I played total war, i should appply for a job as a general.

[henke]

I'm half decent at Forza but I think I'm a better football manager than Alan Pardew.

[NG32]

Ive played Pac-Man. I aint friad of no ghost.

[Kasper]

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In short, it's not Pardew's results that make him compelling, he simply is. When Newcastle are going well, he cocks around the walk with all the swagger and confidence of a provincial estate agent who has just sealed another deal and, in the process, moved into pole position for the Employee of the Month award. It will be his third consecutive such triumph. When they're going badly he's that same estate agent, only the certificate and bottle of blended whisky has gone to somebody else and he's entirely at a loss to explain why or how. He knows, however, that it wasn't his fault.

 

There is something appallingly captivating about men like Pardew and the way they exist in the world. (At least from safe, neutral distance; God only knows how Newcastle fans cope.) Real life manifestations of the vainglorious pillock archetype that underpins so many of Britain's most enduring comic creations, most notably Alan Partridge. Not evil, not malicious, not bad in any real sense, but just so overwhelmingly oblivious, so solipsistically swirled up in their own sense of self that it's hard not to gape, open-mouthed, as they open their mouths and words fall out. "It's credit to the owner and also credit to me because I've had to dig in a few times."

 

That's a man congratulating himself on not having let the fact that he was doing his job badly, get in the way of his continuing to do the job badly. Plenty of managers draw deep from the well of self-belief -- it's almost a requirement, the job being what it is -- but few do so with such relentless thirst. Few, too, can match him when it comes to making excuses; slip-ups have, in the past, been blamed on everything from an over-excited home crowd to the Notting Hill Carnival. Some managers make excuses because they have to. Pardew makes them because, you sense, that he genuinely believes them to be the case. They must be! How could they not be?

 

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/12/9/7360377/alan-pardew-newcastle-manager-personality

[LV]

  On 10/12/2014 at 08:06, Kasper said:

  Quote

In short, it's not Pardew's results that make him compelling, he simply is. When Newcastle are going well, he cocks around the walk with all the swagger and confidence of a provincial estate agent who has just sealed another deal and, in the process, moved into pole position for the Employee of the Month award. It will be his third consecutive such triumph. When they're going badly he's that same estate agent, only the certificate and bottle of blended whisky has gone to somebody else and he's entirely at a loss to explain why or how. He knows, however, that it wasn't his fault.

 

There is something appallingly captivating about men like Pardew and the way they exist in the world. (At least from safe, neutral distance; God only knows how Newcastle fans cope.) Real life manifestations of the vainglorious pillock archetype that underpins so many of Britain's most enduring comic creations, most notably Alan Partridge. Not evil, not malicious, not bad in any real sense, but just so overwhelmingly oblivious, so solipsistically swirled up in their own sense of self that it's hard not to gape, open-mouthed, as they open their mouths and words fall out. "It's credit to the owner and also credit to me because I've had to dig in a few times."

 

That's a man congratulating himself on not having let the fact that he was doing his job badly, get in the way of his continuing to do the job badly. Plenty of managers draw deep from the well of self-belief -- it's almost a requirement, the job being what it is -- but few do so with such relentless thirst. Few, too, can match him when it comes to making excuses; slip-ups have, in the past, been blamed on everything from an over-excited home crowd to the Notting Hill Carnival. Some managers make excuses because they have to. Pardew makes them because, you sense, that he genuinely believes them to be the case. They must be! How could they not be?

 

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/12/9/7360377/alan-pardew-newcastle-manager-personality

 

He's the Anti-Keegan, come to lay waste to the world.

[mickthemagpie]

Hands up if you know what the fuck this means 'solipsistically' without looking it up.

[mrmojorisin75]

  On 10/12/2014 at 08:06, Kasper said:

  Quote

In short, it's not Pardew's results that make him compelling, he simply is. When Newcastle are going well, he cocks around the walk with all the swagger and confidence of a provincial estate agent who has just sealed another deal and, in the process, moved into pole position for the Employee of the Month award. It will be his third consecutive such triumph. When they're going badly he's that same estate agent, only the certificate and bottle of blended whisky has gone to somebody else and he's entirely at a loss to explain why or how. He knows, however, that it wasn't his fault.

 

There is something appallingly captivating about men like Pardew and the way they exist in the world. (At least from safe, neutral distance; God only knows how Newcastle fans cope.) Real life manifestations of the vainglorious pillock archetype that underpins so many of Britain's most enduring comic creations, most notably Alan Partridge. Not evil, not malicious, not bad in any real sense, but just so overwhelmingly oblivious, so solipsistically swirled up in their own sense of self that it's hard not to gape, open-mouthed, as they open their mouths and words fall out. "It's credit to the owner and also credit to me because I've had to dig in a few times."

 

That's a man congratulating himself on not having let the fact that he was doing his job badly, get in the way of his continuing to do the job badly. Plenty of managers draw deep from the well of self-belief -- it's almost a requirement, the job being what it is -- but few do so with such relentless thirst. Few, too, can match him when it comes to making excuses; slip-ups have, in the past, been blamed on everything from an over-excited home crowd to the Notting Hill Carnival. Some managers make excuses because they have to. Pardew makes them because, you sense, that he genuinely believes them to be the case. They must be! How could they not be?

 

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/12/9/7360377/alan-pardew-newcastle-manager-personality

 

That's very much on the money.

[Collage]

Experience as a teacher or manager of any kind would obviously prepare you a lot better for the job as a football manager than playing a computer game. The job is to manage people (well, footballers anyway), not clicking a mouse.

[Collage]

  On 09/12/2014 at 20:55, Northerngimp said:

Ive played Pac-Man. I aint friad of no ghost.

 

[Collage]

  On 09/12/2014 at 20:35, henke said:

I'm half decent at Forza but I think I'm a better football manager than Alan Pardew.

 

Well, you're not.

[Guest firetotheworks]

  On 10/12/2014 at 10:10, Collage said:

Experience as a teacher or manager of any kind would obviously prepare you a lot better for the job as a football manager than playing a computer game. The job is to manage people (well, footballers anyway), not clicking a mouse.

 

UGHHHHH

[Darth Crooks]

I'm a teacher and I headbutted a kid the other day for callin iz a daf kyent. When do I start?

[Guest firetotheworks]

I have experience in all of them, people that know nothing about video games always come out with demeaning crap like that. 'clicking a mouse' man,  aye, the entire game is just clicking a mouse, that's it, nothing else to it.

[NG32]

  On 10/12/2014 at 10:46, Kid Icarus said:

I have experience in all of them, people that know nothing about video games always come out with demeaning crap like that. 'clicking a mouse' man,  aye, the entire game is just clicking a mouse, that's it, nothing else to it.

 

Clicking a mouse and making decisions based on a list of options held in a database which the AI decides to push in your direction. Once you've played the game a number of times the decisions/choices must get easier with familiarity.

 

 

[Pilko]

  On 10/12/2014 at 10:46, Kid Icarus said:

I have experience in all of them, people that know nothing about video games always come out with demeaning crap like that. 'clicking a mouse' man,  aye, the entire game is just clicking a mouse, that's it, nothing else to it.

 

He's getting FM mixed up with the first Diablo game. I broke a mouse playing that where you had to click to take steps.

[Guest firetotheworks]

It's way, way more complicated than that and the outcome of choices depend on countless variables such as the club, the player involved etc etc and it's all based on real life, so someone like Balotelli is going to be a shit to manage etc. I'm not even saying that it's going to make you a manager, I think suggesting that is cringey, it's just this whole turning your nose up at games as if they're still how they were in the '70s that's ignorant.

 

It's a good tool and it's actually used by clubs, so in depth is the data in it. The job is obviously to manage people, but discounting it and saying that a teacher or manager (regardless of their experience or knowledge of football) is going to prepare you a lot better than 'clicking a mouse' is based on nothing more than ignorance really.

[NG32]

It seems very unrealistic to me when my mates tell me they win the lague with Newcastle all the time and have Aguero playing for them, can spend millions of pounds and have a top team.

 

Once you've clocked on to how the game works, its not realistic at all.

 

Im not suggesting its just clicking a mouse like an 80s spectrum game but I ouwld hardley call it a tool for leanring how to manage a real live football club.

 

 

 

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

  On 10/12/2014 at 11:00, Northerngimp said:

It seems very unrealistic to me when my mates tell me they win the lague with Newcastle all the time and have Aguero playing for them, can spend millions of pounds and have a top team.

 

Once you've clocked on to how the game works, its not realistic at all.

 

Im not suggesting its just clicking a mouse like an 80s spectrum game but I ouwld hardley call it a tool for leanring how to manage a real live football club.

 

 

 

 

 

Over being a manager in an office or a teacher with potentially no knowledge of football? That was the point.