Mistle17 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I love this time of the season for him. At home to Chelsea next, cue uber-negative mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 The most regretful thing is we haven't moved on from his era as a club in terms of our style of play or results, of course still being permanently hampered by Ashley. Despite an initial attempt by McClaren to play better football it has since been ditched for more of less of what was served up under this idiot. We've gone a bit more direct recently, as in not always passing it out from the back. But no way are we playing the same style as under Pardew, nowhere near IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Pardew crying is one of time's most golden moments. Beautiful, magical stuff. The moment the man who had inflicted so much misery on others finally felt it himself. ...And we're now playing beautiful majestic football of course We are now a Ford Fiesta and we drive like one. Under Pardew we were a Mercedes that drove like a Cortina. So the team that we added 3 first team players is a Fiesta but the original was a Mercedes? LOL Was obviously on about the team that contained Cabaye, HBA et al. But carry on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 one of his two supermen was missing against swansea, bolasie leaving only Zaha. they have destroyed opposition between them this year. He has'nt had long enough to rein them in yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Bolasie and Cabaye and Wickham out could see them start to slide tbh We thought they'd slide a few times and it still hasn't happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Pardew crying is one of time's most golden moments. Beautiful, magical stuff. The moment the man who had inflicted so much misery on others finally felt it himself. ...And we're now playing beautiful majestic football of course We are now a Ford Fiesta and we drive like one. Under Pardew we were a Mercedes that drove like a Cortina. So the team that we added 3 first team players is a Fiesta but the original was a Mercedes? LOL Was obviously on about the team that contained Cabaye, HBA et al. But carry on. The 17th season was woeful but even then there's a few valid reasons that contributed to the slide (Europa, lack of investment in Aug then half a new team from France in January). But the next season until Cabaye was sold the team got good points on the board. Last season I think he over achieved with the squad until he left. Cisse somehow found his shooting boots and pretty much every goal Perez scored earned us some points. I was sure he would relegate us with that squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Pardew crying is one of time's most golden moments. Beautiful, magical stuff. The moment the man who had inflicted so much misery on others finally felt it himself. ...And we're now playing beautiful majestic football of course We are now a Ford Fiesta and we drive like one. Under Pardew we were a Mercedes that drove like a Cortina. So the team that we added 3 first team players is a Fiesta but the original was a Mercedes? LOL Was obviously on about the team that contained Cabaye, HBA et al. But carry on. The 17th season was woeful but even then there's a few valid reasons that contributed to the slide (Europa, lack of investment in Aug then half a new team from France in January). But the next season until Cabaye was sold the team got good points on the board. Last season I think he over achieved with the squad until he left. Cisse somehow found his shooting boots and pretty much every goal Perez scored earned us some points. I was sure he would relegate us with that squad. Newcastle United have never finished 17th in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Palace can keep cleansheets or keep the score down. They'll be okay and in the top half if that can be maintained. If they can keep the bit of magic injury free there's a realistic chance of top 6/8. They have the team spirit, morale and belief for "keep it tight and win it with a bit of magic" to work more times than not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Okay 16th. That doesn't change the point of anything though does it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Okay 16th. That doesn't change the point of anything though does it? Just thought you'd like to know so that you're not wrong again in future. It's painful to see such an erudite member of the forum get something wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 TCD, did you miss the huge list of posts that Wullie found of your's or something? Are you still going on like you thought this way all along? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Did you miss the posts where I could see not everything was Pardew's fault? But yes, if your point is that time is showing Pardew did a better job than we thought of at the time, I agree. I don't believe in black & white perspectives. I don't think he's a good manager but I don't think he's the worst. I think a lot of people even now, think the squad is better than it really is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Do they? I must have missed all of those people thinking that. Time will prove that once again you're on the wrong side of hindsight though. He had a team with HBA, Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, Santon, MYM, Debuchy, Sissoko, Marveaux etc fighting relegation. Hindsight (right now) doesn't change that, nor does it change his routine cycle at other clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. When your second best attacking threat is your right back that tells its own story imo. Our midfield is the most unsuitable pairing I've ever seen for us, our strikers are substandard and we have a defence that's been terrible and hardly been changed. Even in like players like Wijnaldum, I don't ever look at them and think they're as good as someone like HBA or Cabaye was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 He also severely weakened our squad by f***ing off HBA. I love HBA. But he's fallen out with a number of managers and team mates. The common denominator here is Hatem. If he doesn't have an attitude problem he never plays for NUFC in the first instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 He also severely weakened our squad by f***ing off HBA. I love HBA. But he's fallen out with a number of managers and team mates. The common denominator here is Hatem. If he doesn't have an attitude problem he never plays for NUFC in the first instance. Seems to be doing ok this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. When your second best attacking threat is your right back that tells its own story imo. Our midfield is the most unsuitable pairing I've ever seen for us, our strikers are substandard and we have a defence that's been terrible and hardly been changed. None of this was common thought on this board 12-16 months ago.Even 6 months ago. A lot of people thought we would finish top 10 in the league with this very squad in January. A lot of people thought this was a top 10 squad at the beginning of last season without Wij and co. You can look in the threads. I thought Wijnaldum was here to play CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. 8th. But don't let that stop you rewriting history, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 He also severely weakened our squad by f***ing off HBA. I love HBA. But he's fallen out with a number of managers and team mates. The common denominator here is Hatem. If he doesn't have an attitude problem he never plays for NUFC in the first instance. Seems to be doing ok this season. What does that have to do with anything? It's only been 6 months, he was here for 2 1/2 years before he had issues. He's had a horrible 18 months and he just might have matured mentally as a result of his issues. I hope he has. But that doesn't change a history of falling out with team mates and managers. If reports are true - both of which happened at Newcastle. This is a pattern of behaviour. Again - I love Hatem. But he doesn't end up at Newcastle unless something previously was off. I don't know whether i'm not communicating clearly but people are missing the point. So i'm going to try again. Hatem Ben Arfa is an extremely talented footballer. Ability wise he should be playing for a top team. However, looking at his career he seems to be a difficult character to work with. He's fallen out and fought team mates on a scale that can't be repaired on more than one occasion. He's fallen out with a number of managers to the same degree. He's ended up playing for clubs below his level of talent as a result. It's clear he's a difficult lad to work with and has so far ended his period at every club he's been at unpopular with management and/or team mates. It is Hatem with the issues, not all of these other people. he gets sold or released from Marseille, Lyon, Newcastle & Hull not because people do not rate his ability as a footballer but because of all the other issues I've highlighted. Is this clear enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. 8th. But don't let that stop you rewriting history, again. It's hardly rewriting history. We where in a good league position when he left. I think that Christmas we where slightly higher perhaps 5/6th. Would you like to confirm that for me? We won something like 3 games after he left and still managed to finish 10th which shows how strong we performed in that first half. None Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. 8th. But don't let that stop you rewriting history, again. It's hardly rewriting history. We where in a good league position when he left. I think that Christmas we where slightly higher perhaps 5/6th. Would you like to confirm that for me? We won something like 3 games after he left and still managed to finish 10th which shows how strong we performed in that first half. None I have no interest in debating Pardew. He's a cunt, always will be and I hope he dies. Can you please stop writing where instead of were? It's annoying and out of character for an erudite member of the forum like yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. When your second best attacking threat is your right back that tells its own story imo. Our midfield is the most unsuitable pairing I've ever seen for us, our strikers are substandard and we have a defence that's been terrible and hardly been changed. None of this was common thought on this board 12-16 months ago.Even 6 months ago. A lot of people thought we would finish top 10 in the league with this very squad in January. A lot of people thought this was a top 10 squad at the beginning of last season without Wij and co. You can look in the threads. I thought Wijnaldum was here to play CM. Any examples? Because I don't recall seeing that as a commonly shared view on here at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. 8th. But don't let that stop you rewriting history, again. It's hardly rewriting history. We where in a good league position when he left. I think that Christmas we where slightly higher perhaps 5/6th. Would you like to confirm that for me? We won something like 3 games after he left and still managed to finish 10th which shows how strong we performed in that first half. None Hate people referring to what has happened since he left like it has some bearing on how good he is. Idiotic. As for last season I could be wrong but we had one of our worst ever starts to a season which he recovered with a classic flukey 6 winning game run that masked how awful we were and he is. Then he ran away creating some type of triumph for himself. He was and is an utter shitcunt TCD. Give it up, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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