Norseman Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://mobile.cpfc.co.uk/news/article/talking-tactics-with-mark-bright-dover-athletic-2182097. The bit in tiny font at the bottom just Now the manager has more time on the training ground with the players I expect a few subtle changes in the way we play. I know what he wants from the team, he hates attacking football, exciting players and goals. That's more like it. The caretaker manager said this is what he was expecting from Pardew as well, in the interview on MOTD the other night. They didn't watch us at all under him then. Just repeating his lies for him. As of course he does often publicly say he likes attacking football and flair players, while in reality he's shit scared of breaking up his team's shape, and therefore relies on a little bit of luck/magic/science or whatever to nick his team (not us anymore thank god) a goal while keeping it tight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://mobile.cpfc.co.uk/news/article/talking-tactics-with-mark-bright-dover-athletic-2182097. The bit in tiny font at the bottom just I liked Personally I think it was made easier as everyone carried out their task to the manager's instruction. Wayne Hennessey started in goal Tbf, he was probably expecting to be shunted out wide as an extra left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://i.imgur.com/FhTB4CH.jpg Brilliant. "Have Alan take lunch" :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 "You got your big plate, Alan?" http://i.cubeupload.com/HNEgrr.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 What gets me is how any Palace fan can watch that welcome interview where he looks like he wishes he was dead and can't show even one fake shred of enthusiasm to be there and still support him. They're absolutely desperate to believe this is a great appointment, anything that suggests otherwise is ignored. They're basically just putting their hands over their ears and screaming "Nah nah nah can't here you" while grinning inanely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I respect TCD for holding to his guns sometimes, but between thinking Cabella was tall, having opinions on matches he hasn't seen yet, rating Pardew's brilliant dressing room morale, and stating that Wenger and Ancelotti are poor tacticians, I'm actually at a loss for words right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Ancelotti's greatest strength is his flexibility in building a cohesive team around his best players. Which makes him such a great manager for a top club (that has ownership which largely decides Marquee signings). Doesn't matter who they are, he'll find a way to build a system around them and bring the best out of the star men. That is a consistent strategy, not tactics. It's a long-term approach to achieve aims. Tactics are for specific tasks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Ancelotti's greatest strength is his flexibility in building a cohesive team around his best players. Which makes him such a great manager for a top club (that has ownership which largely decides Marquee signings). Doesn't matter who they are, he'll find a way to build a system around them and bring the best out of the star men. That is a consistent strategy, not tactics. It's a long-term approach to achieve aims. Tactics are for specific tasks. Like hammering Bayern Munich? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 "You got your big plate, Alan?" http://i.cubeupload.com/HNEgrr.gif This needs more love Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Ancelotti's greatest strength is his flexibility in building a cohesive team around his best players. Which makes him such a great manager for a top club (that has ownership which largely decides Marquee signings). Doesn't matter who they are, he'll find a way to build a system around them and bring the best out of the star men. That is a consistent strategy, not tactics. It's a long-term approach to achieve aims. Tactics are for specific tasks. Like hammering Bayern Munich? What about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Listening to some on here you would believe Pardew is an awful manager/coach and that's not really true. Especially in the short-term. He was here for 4 years and never lost the dressing room. He's seemingly pretty good at creating a harmonious team spirit and belief. When the winds are behind his sails his teams can pick up fantastic momentum and he'll not cock it up by trying to be too smart, chopping and changing the team. They'll not smash teams but they'll probably beat teams they shouldn't. But he has zero tactical acumen. When confidence is low, the team won't rise in performance due to his management approach or tactics. His penchant for work-men like midfielders in wide areas is painful. Once he's settled on lads he likes - they aren't coming out the team. He has no philosophy. But he's not the worst manager out there. Palace have a decent chance of staying up this season. They'll need to give him the boot after 18 months or things will go sour. How can someone not be an awful manager ( your view) and have zero tactical acumen (again your view). TCD's criticism of Pardew was always half hearted, he's obviously a secret admirer really. I'm glad Pardew's stayed in the premier though, by the end of next season most of the pundits will be quietly dropping the insistence that he's a good manager and had his hands tied behind his back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Ancelotti's greatest strength is his flexibility in building a cohesive team around his best players. Which makes him such a great manager for a top club (that has ownership which largely decides Marquee signings). Doesn't matter who they are, he'll find a way to build a system around them and bring the best out of the star men. That is a consistent strategy, not tactics. It's a long-term approach to achieve aims. Tactics are for specific tasks. Like hammering Bayern Munich? What about it? He changed his tactics to hammer one of the best teams in Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Ancelotti's greatest strength is his flexibility in building a cohesive team around his best players. Which makes him such a great manager for a top club (that has ownership which largely decides Marquee signings). Doesn't matter who they are, he'll find a way to build a system around them and bring the best out of the star men. That is a consistent strategy, not tactics. It's a long-term approach to achieve aims. Tactics are for specific tasks. Like hammering Bayern Munich? What about it? He changed his tactics to hammer one of the best teams in Europe So that makes him a tactical mastermind? That's the only thing i've said about him. He first employed that shape and approach against another possession based side in the Spanish Cup final. It worked well there and it worked better against Bayern who where more extreme in the possession based approach. But that doesn't make him a tactical mastermind. It once again showed his flexibility in systems to get the most out of his best players. He went extreme counter-attack 4-4-2. He also possesses one of the best teams in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Ancelotti's greatest strength is his flexibility in building a cohesive team around his best players. Which makes him such a great manager for a top club (that has ownership which largely decides Marquee signings). Doesn't matter who they are, he'll find a way to build a system around them and bring the best out of the star men. That is a consistent strategy, not tactics. It's a long-term approach to achieve aims. Tactics are for specific tasks. Like hammering Bayern Munich? What about it? He changed his tactics to hammer one of the best teams in Europe So that makes him a tactical mastermind? That's the only thing i've said about him. He first employed that shape and approach against another possession based side in the Spanish Cup final. It worked well there and it worked better against Bayern who where more extreme in the possession based approach. But that doesn't make him a tactical mastermind. It once again showed his flexibility in systems to get the most out of his best players. He went extreme counter-attack 4-4-2. He also possesses one of the best teams in Europe. So what are tactic if that isn't a tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Ancelotti is loved by almost every player, and is seen as some sort of grandfather, in almost an SBR vein. I think this alone goes a long way in bringing him success and getting the best out of his players. No surprise he's doing well at Madrid as they needed someone older, calmer, who garnered respect in the dressing room, after the volatile, divisive nature of Mourinho (who I admire as well for the opposite reasons, almost). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It was good tactics but it was no masterstroke 'tis all i'm saying. It wasn't a surprise to Pep - everyone saw the approach coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Splitting hairs man - anything a manager does to alter or adjust or exploit or whatever you want to call it in order to get a result (be it 1 point or 3 points, or Draw or Win) is tactical, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Think Stewart Robson can be a bit of a cunt but he was spot on yet again about Pardew on The Times' latest football podcast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Good GOD that lineup http://www.zonalmarking.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/new-milan.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Maldini absolute football hero/idol of mine. Has to be 2nd to Shearer and on some days on par. Fucking loved watching him play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 1. Not a tactical mastermind doesn't equate to 'shit tactician'. It's just not his strongest attribute. 2. The ZM piece further proves my point. His strongest attribute again - is clearly finding systems to suit his best players. That's his long term approach. 3. And twice - that supremely talented side where embarrassed in the CL tactically by 2 FAR inferior sides in terms of ability. In both instances an early change might've prevented the comebacks. But his strategies are largely around his own sides best players. In any case he's one of the best to do it. Just not s tactical mastermind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/01/06/alan-pardew-slammed-for-his-arrogance-branded-as-rude/? Seems to have managed to upset Dover. Comment one from the bottom by: Interpillock474 :lol: The Flasher strikes again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/01/06/alan-pardew-slammed-for-his-arrogance-branded-as-rude/? Seems to have managed to upset Dover. Palace eased to a 4-0 win at the Crabble Athletic Ground, and the London club are unlikely to meet the Conference Premier side anytime soon in any competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 There are not many 'tactical masterminds' in the game and to be fair to TCD I'd agree that the likes of Ancelotti are not that great tactically and thank f*** for that. Fergie wasn't great tactically either. I'd say Mourinho and Benitez are both tactical masterminds who can win a game or influence it by their ability to out think others and by way of 'tactics', and while they are obviously great managers, I'd always prefer an Ancelotti over a Mourinho. The former's Chelsea side was fantstic to watch as were Milan. Ironically, football is spoiled by many managers trying to be tactical or adopting certain 'tactics' when they are mostly ill equipped to do so which just worsens things. Pardew is a classic example. He tries to win games tactically but he's f***ing clueless tactically so it all goes to s***. Meanwhile managers like KK who don't really use tactics of put much importance on them, do wonders with players, teams and results. Football is predominatly about ability, confidence, and man management with tactics way down the list. Combine the lot and you will win the lot, hence Mourinho etc. give him say this NUFC side, however, and he would do well to get into the top 6 to be honest. The likes of Ancelotti need top players to do their stuff of course, but they don't rely massively on tactics, because they allow for freedom of expression, ideas, to work around players, and that's why, for me, they are the very best of managers who can go into different teams and leagues and be a success. Primarily it's all about the players to be honest and not f***ing tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Love it when you see a little tactical move though, it doesn't have to be super complex. Like when Spurs used Eriksen to pull Matic all over against Chelsea, there are probably loads of those little things going on that never get highlighted. Also, being tactically aware doesnt mean you can't be flexible depending on opposition and the players you have. I'm fact you should be able to do that if you are wedded to one way of playing. Players would generally be clueless without someone to instruct them. Letting them just play wouldnt work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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