The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Palace can keep cleansheets or keep the score down. They'll be okay and in the top half if that can be maintained. If they can keep the bit of magic injury free there's a realistic chance of top 6/8. They have the team spirit, morale and belief for "keep it tight and win it with a bit of magic" to work more times than not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Okay 16th. That doesn't change the point of anything though does it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Okay 16th. That doesn't change the point of anything though does it? Just thought you'd like to know so that you're not wrong again in future. It's painful to see such an erudite member of the forum get something wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 TCD, did you miss the huge list of posts that Wullie found of your's or something? Are you still going on like you thought this way all along? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Did you miss the posts where I could see not everything was Pardew's fault? But yes, if your point is that time is showing Pardew did a better job than we thought of at the time, I agree. I don't believe in black & white perspectives. I don't think he's a good manager but I don't think he's the worst. I think a lot of people even now, think the squad is better than it really is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Do they? I must have missed all of those people thinking that. Time will prove that once again you're on the wrong side of hindsight though. He had a team with HBA, Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, Santon, MYM, Debuchy, Sissoko, Marveaux etc fighting relegation. Hindsight (right now) doesn't change that, nor does it change his routine cycle at other clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. When your second best attacking threat is your right back that tells its own story imo. Our midfield is the most unsuitable pairing I've ever seen for us, our strikers are substandard and we have a defence that's been terrible and hardly been changed. Even in like players like Wijnaldum, I don't ever look at them and think they're as good as someone like HBA or Cabaye was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 He also severely weakened our squad by f***ing off HBA. I love HBA. But he's fallen out with a number of managers and team mates. The common denominator here is Hatem. If he doesn't have an attitude problem he never plays for NUFC in the first instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 He also severely weakened our squad by f***ing off HBA. I love HBA. But he's fallen out with a number of managers and team mates. The common denominator here is Hatem. If he doesn't have an attitude problem he never plays for NUFC in the first instance. Seems to be doing ok this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. When your second best attacking threat is your right back that tells its own story imo. Our midfield is the most unsuitable pairing I've ever seen for us, our strikers are substandard and we have a defence that's been terrible and hardly been changed. None of this was common thought on this board 12-16 months ago.Even 6 months ago. A lot of people thought we would finish top 10 in the league with this very squad in January. A lot of people thought this was a top 10 squad at the beginning of last season without Wij and co. You can look in the threads. I thought Wijnaldum was here to play CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. 8th. But don't let that stop you rewriting history, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 He also severely weakened our squad by f***ing off HBA. I love HBA. But he's fallen out with a number of managers and team mates. The common denominator here is Hatem. If he doesn't have an attitude problem he never plays for NUFC in the first instance. Seems to be doing ok this season. What does that have to do with anything? It's only been 6 months, he was here for 2 1/2 years before he had issues. He's had a horrible 18 months and he just might have matured mentally as a result of his issues. I hope he has. But that doesn't change a history of falling out with team mates and managers. If reports are true - both of which happened at Newcastle. This is a pattern of behaviour. Again - I love Hatem. But he doesn't end up at Newcastle unless something previously was off. I don't know whether i'm not communicating clearly but people are missing the point. So i'm going to try again. Hatem Ben Arfa is an extremely talented footballer. Ability wise he should be playing for a top team. However, looking at his career he seems to be a difficult character to work with. He's fallen out and fought team mates on a scale that can't be repaired on more than one occasion. He's fallen out with a number of managers to the same degree. He's ended up playing for clubs below his level of talent as a result. It's clear he's a difficult lad to work with and has so far ended his period at every club he's been at unpopular with management and/or team mates. It is Hatem with the issues, not all of these other people. he gets sold or released from Marseille, Lyon, Newcastle & Hull not because people do not rate his ability as a footballer but because of all the other issues I've highlighted. Is this clear enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. 8th. But don't let that stop you rewriting history, again. It's hardly rewriting history. We where in a good league position when he left. I think that Christmas we where slightly higher perhaps 5/6th. Would you like to confirm that for me? We won something like 3 games after he left and still managed to finish 10th which shows how strong we performed in that first half. None Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. 8th. But don't let that stop you rewriting history, again. It's hardly rewriting history. We where in a good league position when he left. I think that Christmas we where slightly higher perhaps 5/6th. Would you like to confirm that for me? We won something like 3 games after he left and still managed to finish 10th which shows how strong we performed in that first half. None I have no interest in debating Pardew. He's a cunt, always will be and I hope he dies. Can you please stop writing where instead of were? It's annoying and out of character for an erudite member of the forum like yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. When your second best attacking threat is your right back that tells its own story imo. Our midfield is the most unsuitable pairing I've ever seen for us, our strikers are substandard and we have a defence that's been terrible and hardly been changed. None of this was common thought on this board 12-16 months ago.Even 6 months ago. A lot of people thought we would finish top 10 in the league with this very squad in January. A lot of people thought this was a top 10 squad at the beginning of last season without Wij and co. You can look in the threads. I thought Wijnaldum was here to play CM. Any examples? Because I don't recall seeing that as a commonly shared view on here at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. When we sold Cabaye, we where 6th in the league. 8th. But don't let that stop you rewriting history, again. It's hardly rewriting history. We where in a good league position when he left. I think that Christmas we where slightly higher perhaps 5/6th. Would you like to confirm that for me? We won something like 3 games after he left and still managed to finish 10th which shows how strong we performed in that first half. None Hate people referring to what has happened since he left like it has some bearing on how good he is. Idiotic. As for last season I could be wrong but we had one of our worst ever starts to a season which he recovered with a classic flukey 6 winning game run that masked how awful we were and he is. Then he ran away creating some type of triumph for himself. He was and is an utter shitcunt TCD. Give it up, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Please learn the difference between where, were and we're as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. When your second best attacking threat is your right back that tells its own story imo. Our midfield is the most unsuitable pairing I've ever seen for us, our strikers are substandard and we have a defence that's been terrible and hardly been changed. None of this was common thought on this board 12-16 months ago.Even 6 months ago. A lot of people thought we would finish top 10 in the league with this very squad in January. A lot of people thought this was a top 10 squad at the beginning of last season without Wij and co. You can look in the threads. I thought Wijnaldum was here to play CM. Any examples? Because I don't recall seeing that as a commonly shared view on here at all. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php?topic=93628.300 Have a gander. More than 60% thought the sqaud is top half/top 8 material. Even as far back as 2013 I haven't rated the team as good as many seem to. If we are consistent across the season then top 8, we are a couple of defensive signings away from the top 6, top 5 if one of the 'elite' teams have a bad season like Chelsea a few years ago. On our day, with a bit of luck we can beat anyone in the league (not strong enough to do it across a season though). For this reason I'd say we are as good as anyone for the cups, I would imagine that a lot of teams would want to keep away from us in the draws. If we have a bad season though I can see us finishing 12th-ish, and that would be acceptable if we are showing the rights signs of improvements on the pitch. Stif thinks top 8. No idea. A lot of new signings. Don't know how good Chancel, Wijnaldum, Thauvin & Mitro are in the PL. And they are all crucial to our success. Funnily enough - the "know it all" of the forum had no idea. Right now I see us midtable at best. But I would take that if it meant we get to watch good football which I think mcclarens trying to implement. We are desperatley short of at least centre back left back and cover at right back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Using Stifler as an example and then the most obvious comment of "New signings might be crucial to our success". Well I never. Stop the printing presses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Using Stifler as an example and then the most obvious comment of "New signings might be crucial to our success". Well I never. Stop the printing presses. In that thread he linked you yourself seemed to laugh at the notion that we could possibly get relegated if you have a look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 So much positivity in that thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Using Stifler as an example and then the most obvious comment of "New signings might be crucial to our success". Well I never. Stop the printing presses. In that thread he linked you yourself seemed to laugh at the notion that we could possibly get relegated if you have a look I laughed at the fact our target should be "avoid the drop". Ambitious I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Nobody thought everything was Pardew's fault Time isn't showing that he did a better job than we thought of at the time, but it is allowing people to rewrite history. He had a strong squad here and it wasn't until we sold Cabaye that that really changed. McClaren, although I didn't want him and I still don't, has never had that luxury. Obviously it could have been better, ignoring the fact he was complicit from the start you could complain that we were short in reserve, our bench has never been stellar and we've always had 1 or 2 misfits in the starting XI, but nothing close to what we have now. When your second best attacking threat is your right back that tells its own story imo. Our midfield is the most unsuitable pairing I've ever seen for us, our strikers are substandard and we have a defence that's been terrible and hardly been changed. None of this was common thought on this board 12-16 months ago.Even 6 months ago. A lot of people thought we would finish top 10 in the league with this very squad in January. A lot of people thought this was a top 10 squad at the beginning of last season without Wij and co. You can look in the threads. I thought Wijnaldum was here to play CM. Any examples? Because I don't recall seeing that as a commonly shared view on here at all. I'm not defending McClaren - i've never rated him. Right now we are below par (which is midtable). If we are to avoid a very tough season Colo & Cisse need to go at the very least. But it's difficult when the alternatives are Fistpumps and an untested kid in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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