ads Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 How much of the "He's served his time" is actually "I don't think what he did was rape in the first place"? Like if he'd just jumped on some sober woman in an alley walking back from midnight mass, held her down and raped her, would people still be fine with him playing for their club or in their league as soon as he was out on license? What if he'd been done for GBH instead of rape? Would people be fine with him returning to football as soon as he was released? The overwhelming evidence is that they would. I think this is where it probably comes down to FA guidelines and should there be any introduced for future. Look at this case and whilst Evans is allowed, officially, to return to football. It's moral objections that prevent him doing so. Now is rape worse than murder? Lee Hughes was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving and sentenced to prison. When he was released he resumed his playing career (with Oldham incidentally...) I don't remember the circumstances surrounding his release and resumption of his football career though, but there's little doubt social media played a huge part in the breakdown of Evans' proposed move to Oldham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 How much of the "He's served his time" is actually "I don't think what he did was rape in the first place"? Like if he'd just jumped on some sober woman in an alley walking back from midnight mass, held her down and raped her, would people still be fine with him playing for their club or in their league as soon as he was out on license? Good question TBF. I'm happy that what he did was rape, I consider him a convicted rapist as I said before. But it's hard to deny that there are different degrees of any crime, and I can't say that this doesn't enter my thinking at all. I do believe completely in the principle of rehabilitation, but it would definitely be tested if he'd done something even worse. That said, presumably his sentence would have been a lot more severe as well. So I guess even the courts consider the severity. Also I think the question is a little bit loaded. I'm not really 'happy' for him to play for my club, I just recognise his right to continue his life and him returning to football is a side effect of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 How much of the "He's served his time" is actually "I don't think what he did was rape in the first place"? Like if he'd just jumped on some sober woman in an alley walking back from midnight mass, held her down and raped her, would people still be fine with him playing for their club or in their league as soon as he was out on license? What if he'd been done for GBH instead of rape? Would people be fine with him returning to football as soon as he was released? The overwhelming evidence is that they would. I think this is where it probably comes down to FA guidelines and should there be any introduced for future. Look at this case and whilst Evans is allowed, officially, to return to football. It's moral objections that prevent him doing so. Now is rape worse than murder? Lee Hughes was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving and sentenced to prison. When he was released he resumed his playing career (with Oldham incidentally...) I don't remember the circumstances surrounding his release and resumption of his football career though, but there's little doubt social media played a huge part in the breakdown of Evans' proposed move to Oldham. Death by dangerous driving isn't murder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Of course it's not should have put 'killing someone'. McCormick killed two children. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shush Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 McCormick was also incredibly remorseful and devastated about what he did, Ched Evans seemed to act as if it was a court mistake about being guilty for what he did - that has damaged him massively because he might of stood a chance of making a return if he showed maximum remorse straight away. McCormick continues to this day (in mostly away games) to get a huge amount of abuse from fans about what happened. I say abuse, in many ways you can say he deserves to always remember and to get that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 McCormick was also incredibly remorseful and devastated about what he did, Ched Evans seemed to act as if it was a court mistake about being guilty for what he did - that has damaged him massively because he might of stood a chance of making a return if he showed maximum remorse straight away. McCormick continues to this day (in mostly away games) to get a huge amount of abuse from fans about what happened. I say abuse, in many ways you can say he deserves to always remember and to get that. How many times? He's allowed to believe in his innocence, he'll honestly believe he's had his entire life ruined by a pissed lass let's not forget. The tweets she put out at one point about how much she was going to make off the whole thing don't look good on that score either, assuming they're not made up by Evan's 'supporters'. In essence you have one person backed up by witnesses saying the lass consented etc and on the other hand you have a lass saying she can't remember what happened AT ALL, yet the narrative is always that she's the one had her life ruined. Don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11914775/Our-rape-laws-need-urgent-reform-to-prevent-injustice.html interesting article, on the evans case i was unaware that the lass hadn't sought the prosecution herself as it states here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I'm happy that what he did was rape Sick fucker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11914775/Our-rape-laws-need-urgent-reform-to-prevent-injustice.html interesting article, on the evans case I was unaware that the lass hadn't sought the prosecution herself as it states here The author gets some things spot on though. People should be given the right to anonymity until proven guilty, those who make false allegations should be prosecuted, and there is a difference between not remembering what happened and actually being raped. There are a lot of genuine rape victims out there, and they are usually the ones who are not given enough support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11914775/Our-rape-laws-need-urgent-reform-to-prevent-injustice.html interesting article, on the evans case I was unaware that the lass hadn't sought the prosecution herself as it states here The author gets some things spot on though. People should be given the right to anonymity until proven guilty, those who make false allegations should be prosecuted, and there is a difference between not remembering what happened and actually being raped. There are a lot of genuine rape victims out there, and they are usually the ones who are not given enough support. You've opened that can of worms again Stif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11914775/Our-rape-laws-need-urgent-reform-to-prevent-injustice.html interesting article, on the evans case I was unaware that the lass hadn't sought the prosecution herself as it states here The author gets some things spot on though. People should be given the right to anonymity until proven guilty, those who make false allegations should be prosecuted, and there is a difference between not remembering what happened and actually being raped. There are a lot of genuine rape victims out there, and they are usually the ones who are not given enough support. You've opened that can of worms again Stif Not really. It's well documented that plenty of genuine rape victims withdraw their complaints or don't complain in fear of not being believed. There is an increase of women making false claims (ones who actually admit to the claim being false and not just withdraw the complaint) and a society that encourages seeking a rape complaint when you simply 'can't remember' what happened the night before. It's the actions of the latter who create the situation where genuine victims think that they won't be believed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Won his appeal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Thought he was Dead Evans when I saw the bump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phillipealbert Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 if he wins his re-trial, and looking at the balance of evidence, suspect he likely will, I can see him aggressively pushing for counter charges against her, as well as some action against his former club, the ring leaders of that petition, Jessica Ennis, etc. Nothing like a couple of years in nick and the loss of your career to get your back up slightly. Could get incredibly messy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 what is the point of a re-trial? from a public interest perspective (i'm talking £ here). He has served his time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 if he wins his re-trial, and looking at the balance of evidence, suspect he likely will, I can see him aggressively pushing for counter charges against her, as well as some action against his former club, the ring leaders of that petition, Jessica Ennis, etc. Nothing like a couple of years in nick and the loss of your career to get your back up slightly. Could get incredibly messy. Absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 what is the point of a re-trial? from a public interest perspective (i'm talking £ here). He has served his time. He's part of the public and I imagine clearing your name if you felt you were wrongly labelled as a rapist would be of pretty big interest to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 It's a good example of how fucking stupid the mob like attitude we have towards criminals is like. It's also a shame the lass will be getting the reverse treatment if he wins, regardless of whether or not she was in the wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 If he is found to be not guilty, this will discourage any lass from coming forward over similar allegations. She's had enough shit from people already, even when he was guilty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Ah better keep him as guilty even if he's innocent then.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I think the calls for girls to be punished if a rape accusation isn't proven in court to be completely absurd tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Of course, nobody should be punished just because their case wasn't proven, that's not how the law works and it never will be no matter who calls for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations Erm..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Sign him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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