NUFC kits & merchandise

[macphisto]

8 hours ago, St. Maximin said:

Fair, I think you’ve summed this up very well ?

 

To be honest I know this might make me sound like a Saudi apologist, but quite ironically we shouldn’t see things in black and white. The PIF has over 1000 people and I’m sure many have good intentions and don’t support all of the kingdom’s actions. When people talk about us having the most evil owners possible, they’re clearly being selective over who they’re specifically referring to to suit their opinion, rather than as a whole (same the other way when referring to Staveley and co). It’s perfectly reasonable to see Saudi Arabia in some positive lights while acknowledging there are horrendous human rights issues that can’t be ignored. That this is now happening doesn’t mean the latter gets replaced - almost like some morally superior people want us to hate everything about the country. 
 

As has been raised before people are selective over what angers them when it comes to sport. Sky Sports is showing tourism adverts for Saudi Arabia - this is far less subtle rebranding than a short the team will barely ever wear and will barely sell here. Good excuse for some online attention though. 

Good post and you're right about not viewing it in simple terms. Saudi Arabia has acknowledged that it wants to modernise so it is moving in the right direction and we are part of the process in helping the country to do that. 

[Si]

It's pretty rank like, the leaps and contortions people make of it's not Saudi buying us it's the fund the premier league said so, then cut to first proper season and we're potentially playing our away games in the Saudi national kit. On the field it's great but things like this make it a lot harder to support the team not the regime if we're going to end up branded like this.

[macphisto]

2 hours ago, GWN said:

I just see it as an unnecessary distraction , avoidable àt this early stage in ownership of NUFC, everyone knew what this would bring. 

On the contrary, probably the best time to do it and get the issue out of the way as it was bound to come up at some point. They know we are not a very active supporter base, see Ashley years, and the furore will die down soon enough, particularly with a few decent signings. It also sets the scene for future developments such as sponsorships, promotional videos, etc.

 

Personally speaking this pales into insignificance when compared to us being sponsored by a payday loan company and a betting firm in recent times.

[Gaztoon]

Have I missed where this as been 100% confirmed as the 2nd kit ?

 

For all anyone knows this is just one of many concept designs the club picks from.

[Guest HTT II]

PIF could have easily bought Man Utd or LFC given their wealth, but Arabic culture would see any success as someone else’s, they want to create their own success and so for NUFC to become the best and most successful team in the world would reflect on them their own greatness as a culture, as people and as a Kingdom. That’s why we should all be excited because I guarantee they will go all out to do just that. If they fail it will be reflected on them as failures. As for the shirt, I’m not bothered. We are not a sports washing excercise either, they can buy 300 million Twitter accounts to do that. This is an investment, a brand, a sporting venture where they want to say to the world when SA invest we become the best. If anything it’s to sport wash their own people…

[The Prophet]

5 minutes ago, Gaztoon said:

Have I missed where this as been 100% confirmed as the 2nd kit ?

 

For all anyone knows this is just one of many concept designs the club picks from.

 

A lot of journos now believe it's the third kit. 

[Kid Icarus]

I see the talking about Fewm to Fewm ratio is still about 200:1

 

Some bonus edgy revelling in it with jokes about human rights abuses from what I can only assume is a lad struggling with puberty.

 

 

 

 

 

[UncleBingo]

We need to honest with ourselves as NUFC fans, and this is exactly what sportswashing looks like.

We can still support the team without actively supporting this blatant promotion of the Saudi state. The reaction and whataboutery on here and social media has been fucking awful.

IMHO.

[macphisto]

7 minutes ago, HTT II said:

PIF could have easily bought Man Utd or LFC given their wealth, but Arabic culture would see any success as someone else’s, they want to create their own success and so for NUFC to become the best and most successful team in the world would reflect on them their own greatness as a culture, as people and as a Kingdom. That’s why we should all be excited because I guarantee they will go all out to do just that. If they fail it will be reflected on them as failures. As for the shirt, I’m not bothered. We are not a sports washing excercise either, they can buy 300 million Twitter accounts to do that. This is an investment, a brand, a sporting venture where they want to say to the world when SA invest we become the best. If anything it’s to sport wash their own people…

The highlighted part is the sportswashing part of it. That's the message they want to convey to the world as opposed to the current mostly negative/neutral views of the country. Twitter/social media and traditional media would be the means to convey that message.

[veriaqa]

8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I see the talking about Fewm to Fewm ratio is still about 200:1

 

Some bonus edgy revelling in it with jokes about human rights abuses from what I can only assume is a lad struggling with puberty.

 

 

 

 

 

+2

[veriaqa]

 

 

A hint that the new owner wants a new badge...?

 

Maybe like this....

Spoiler

 

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I see the talking about Fewm to Fewm ratio is still about 200:1

 

Some bonus edgy revelling in it with jokes about human rights abuses from what I can only assume is a lad struggling with puberty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There has been a fair amount of outrage amount journos, particularly the NE lads.

 

Quite a bit of it is perfectly reasonable criticism though. I only really take issue with the misguided  who have used it to attack the fans.

 

The problem is the polarisation that come from Twitter, its either over the top moral outrage or brain dead support of KSA. I even saw some knacker describe the criticism of the KSA regime as racism. There will be little of either outside of the social media following.

[Guest]

This will make me a shit no doubt but the kit doesn’t bother me. Pretty sure we all knew at the time that as well as the club improving we’d be used as a vehicle to make money or raise profile of their own country. 

[Gaztoon]

22 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

A lot of journos now believe it's the third kit. 

 

 

So will be worn 2-3 times

 

?

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

There has been a fair amount of outrage amount journos, particularly the NE lads.

 

Quite a bit of it is perfectly reasonable criticism though. I only really take issue with the misguided  who have used it to attack the fans.

 

The problem is the polarisation that come from Twitter, its either over the top moral outrage or brain dead support of KSA. I even saw some knacker describe the criticism of the KSA regime as racism. There will be little of either outside of the social media following.

 

Aye it's there from the journos but hardly outrage on here. Even then the ratio is still massively out. Could do without the cringe edgy patter as well, no doubt we're deemed oFfEnDeD like, when it's actually just 2nd hand embarrassment. You're right about the polarisation like, it truly turns people into total cunts.

[Whitley mag]

8 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

This will make me a shit no doubt but the kit doesn’t bother me. Pretty sure we all knew at the time that as well as the club improving we’d be used as a vehicle to make money or raise profile of their own country. 

Just honest like the vast majority. The only real outrage I can see is from hypocritical journalists and Amnesty which you would expect.

 

These journalists especially the local ones stirring the pot can fucking do one. 

[Guest]

We’re hardly the first club to do it. I know they don’t have Portuguese ownership but it’s only a few years ago Wolves had pretty much the Portugal kit as their away shirt. We have Saudi ownership and will be looking at ways to bring money, doped up investment from over there, this was always a possibility.

[UncleBingo]

2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Just honest like the vast majority. The only real outrage I can see is from hypocritical journalists and Amnesty which you would expect.

 

These journalists especially the local ones stirring the pot can fucking do one. 

Stirring the pot, or making legitimate points about sportswashing?

[UncleBingo]

Just now, Optimistic Nut said:

We’re hardly the first club to do it. I know they don’t have Portuguese ownership but it’s only a few years ago Wolves had pretty much the Portugal kit as their away shirt. We have Saudi ownership and will be looking at ways to bring money, doped up investment from over there, this was always a possibility.

You really comparing Portugal to Saudi Arabia?

[Whitley mag]

1 minute ago, UncleBingo said:

Stirring the pot, or making legitimate points about sportswashing?

They’re happy to turn a blind eye to sportswashing when they’re lapping up corporate freebies. To be honest I think all this sports washing talk is laughable.

 

I honestly think the Saudi’s are trying to introduce sports to their younger demographic and also diversify away from oil.  If they get some good publicity in the process then I’m sure they’ll happy take it, but I think this sports washing narrative is completely over played.

 

[veriaqa]

2 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

You really comparing Portugal to Saudi Arabia?

 

Such an outrageous thing to do right? Comparing great white Christian nation to filthy moralless Arab mozlem country...

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

Stirring the pot, or making legitimate points about sportswashing?

No but we don’t have links to Portuguese super agents or players. We are majority owned by a Saudi investment fund.

[UncleBingo]

4 minutes ago, veriaqa said:

 

Such an outrageous thing to do right? Comparing great white Christian nation to filthy moralless Arab mozlem country...

I'm a racist, right? ?

 

Behave yourself.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Some of the journalists have good points but too often temper it by writing a novel about how they feel. Then you get stuff like this which is just absolute shite.

 

 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Personally, my overriding feeling about this saga is that it's mainly a really tacky approach, more than anything, and incredibly shit global marketing (which is supposedly the primary strategy for sportswashing).

 

 

Edited May 14, 2022 by Gallowgate Toon