Kaizero Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 How many of the teams at the Euro's contain world class players? Besides, that's a not a sensible way of measuring the ability of a team, see City, Leicester. Portugal. France. Wales. Spain. Germany. Poland. Switzerland. Belgium. Italy (surely a defender?). Croatia. Fair point about being a team but we haven't shown that team ability in yonks either. Wales. So you're saying Gareth Bale is "world class", yet no-one in the England team is near his level? You're also using this point to make out they're somehow better than England. They've named two strikers from f***ing Walsall in their provisional squad, man. I'm not saying Wales are better than England. I'm saying there's nothing to suggest England are a major European nation. Not past performances, nor star power. And no - there isn't an English player near the level of Bale either. Think in time Kane will show it. Well who are major European nations? Are the Netherlands in your list? Argentina, Spain, Germany, Uruguay, Chile and Italy I'd say are the top tier teams currently. And Italy only because they just don't fucking know when to get beaten, even when they're filled with retirement home players. Below them I'd say it's pretty much a free for all in the England, France, Brazil, Holland, Columbia and Belgium bracket, followed by a massive bracket consisting of the rest of (the non-minnow) Europe/South America + South Korea, Japan, Mexico, Australia and the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 How many of the teams at the Euro's contain world class players? Besides, that's a not a sensible way of measuring the ability of a team, see City, Leicester. Portugal. France. Wales. Spain. Germany. Poland. Switzerland. Belgium. Italy (surely a defender?). Croatia. Fair point about being a team but we haven't shown that team ability in yonks either. Wales. So you're saying Gareth Bale is "world class", yet no-one in the England team is near his level? You're also using this point to make out they're somehow better than England. They've named two strikers from f***ing Walsall in their provisional squad, man. I'm not saying Wales are better than England. I'm saying there's nothing to suggest England are a major European nation. Not past performances, nor star power. And no - there isn't an English player near the level of Bale either. Think in time Kane will show it. Well who are major European nations? Are the Netherlands in your list? Think the criteria is past performances and/or top players. You have: Spain, Germany, Belgium, France. After that any winne would be a surprise. Italians, Portuguese. Traditionally Netherlands are a major European nation, for the last few decades they've gone to finals and semis of international tournaments but right now there's a dearth of talent and identity. Bad team with no star power for the first time in decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 How many of the teams at the Euro's contain world class players? Besides, that's a not a sensible way of measuring the ability of a team, see City, Leicester. Portugal. France. Wales. Spain. Germany. Poland. Switzerland. Belgium. Italy (surely a defender?). Croatia. Fair point about being a team but we haven't shown that team ability in yonks either. Wales. So you're saying Gareth Bale is "world class", yet no-one in the England team is near his level? You're also using this point to make out they're somehow better than England. They've named two strikers from f***ing Walsall in their provisional squad, man. I'm not saying Wales are better than England. I'm saying there's nothing to suggest England are a major European nation. Not past performances, nor star power. And no - there isn't an English player near the level of Bale either. Think in time Kane will show it. Well who are major European nations? Are the Netherlands in your list? Think the criteria is past performances and/or top players. You have: Spain, Germany, Belgium, France. After that any winne would be a surprise. Italians, Portuguese. Traditionally Netherlands are a major European nation, for the last few decades they've gone to finals and semis of international tournaments but right now there's a dearth of talent and identity. Bad team with no star power for the first time in decades. Do the Belgians (who were quarter finalists at the last World Cup - their first since 2002) really have substantially better players than the Dutch, who were finalists in 2010 and semi-finalists in 2014? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Kane is clearly a world class striker based on the last couple of seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Belgium are overrated as hell, both in the talent department and the actual performances department. They basically rely on Lukaku for goals who as of right now hasn't proven anything at international level with a bad 12 goals in 43 games, have no fullbacks or decent CMs and basically are relying on Hazard and De Bruyne to have the tournaments of their lives which in all likelihood won't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Belgium are overrated as hell, both in the talent department and the actual performances department. They basically rely on Lukaku for goals who as of right now hasn't proven anything at international level with a bad 12 goals in 43 games, have no fullbacks or decent CMs and basically are relying on Hazard and De Bruyne to have the tournaments of their lives which in all likelihood won't happen. if we played them this summer I'd expect us to beat them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Yes... clearly. The 2014 team was a last hoorah of the last Dutch Golden generation. RVP, Sneijder & Robben played in the 2010 final - they are now all in their 30s, injury prone and/or finished at the top European level. The rest of the Dutch squad is nothing special and vastly inferior to Belgium. That 2014 the team was the first tournament of their golden Generation. You've got a number of players in their early to mid 20's in that side, you expect them to be contenders fro the next couple international tournaments at least. I mean.. this is clear and common sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Naingolan and Dembele are pretty decent CMs aren't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Kane is clearly a world class striker based on the last couple of seasons. Depends on your definition of world class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Naingolan and Dembele are pretty decent CMs aren't they? Dembele is good for Spurs i suppose, but like a lot of the Belgium team he hasn't proven anything at international level. Probably because he actually has to play with some semblance of intelligence defensively. Nainggolan i'll give you though, but even so he alone isn't going to make or break them. He's just one of the many necessary pieces to the puzzle one of which has a long way to go until it's filled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Belgium are overrated as hell, both in the talent department and the actual performances department. They basically rely on Lukaku for goals who as of right now hasn't proven anything at international level with a bad 12 goals in 43 games, have no fullbacks or decent CMs and basically are relying on Hazard and De Bruyne to have the tournaments of their lives which in all likelihood won't happen. Over rated compared to what? You look at the spine of the team and it's pretty good. Sure, weak in the FB department.. don't know much about their CM's but they seem okay enough.. but still looks pretty strong to me compared to the majority of the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Belgium to win Euro 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I'd back Belgium to beat England tbh if I had to make a bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Kane has the potential but much like the rest of the England side... haven't much European experience and has been doing it for 20 months. Everyone else i would put in that bracket has done it for a longer time and/or in the CL. But he looks the real deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Whatever happens, it's nice to see an England team that can actually pass the ball. The Premiership may be restricting the opportunities for young English players, but those that do make it are technically much more sound than their predecessors. The defence doesn't look great. It was a bit strange to watch England defenders beaten quite regularly at set pieces. The other factor is how easy it will be for players to get up to peak performances, mentally and physically, after the demands of the Premiership season. One or two players looked like they needed a rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Quelle surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Must have been the lovechild of Luis Saha and Marcelinho, only plays when he fancies it and also perma-crocked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Got the fucking Yazz song in my head now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 What a shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Aussies in toon as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Dreary North-East? Cheeky bastards. If they think it's dreary up here they want to take a walk along the Wear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 I'm assuming they're on about the weather? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Quayside > Sydney Harbour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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