UncleBingo Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Anyway, asides from his obvious temperament issues, does anybody else think he looks like a big & slow lumbering oaf thus far? Sorry I was wrong. It described him perfectly back then and still fits the bill nowadays. Thanks for pointing out my astute observations, will use something else next time as not to offend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Think he'll find it hard to get into the side after his ban Oh yeah, right, that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I agree I can't see him being a regular starter. Rafa seems to prefer a mobile lone striker which will be Gayle and I can see Perez behind him and then Aarons and Ritchie wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Needs to up his game, even at championship level. He's probably the biggest disappointment from last season for me personally. I had high hopes for him but poor play, wrongly channeled aggression and immobility has pointed him in the direction of a big waste of time and money. Still something very likeable about the lad and would love to see it click next season for him, but as others say missing the first 4 games puts him at a huge dissadvantage of his own making and if we're playing well plus scoring goals then we might not see him start a league game for months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Anyway, asides from his obvious temperament issues, does anybody else think he looks like a big & slow lumbering oaf thus far? Sorry I was wrong. It described him perfectly back then and still fits the bill nowadays. Thanks for pointing out my astute observations, will use something else next time as not to offend. You're consistent at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Think he'll find it hard to get into the side after his ban The ban isn't going to help, but he finished the last season well, and if he is determined to make a success of it here, he'll take his chance when it comes. He needs to improve his finishing though. It's all hit and miss at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 He'll boss it in the Championship. He had loads of chances last season but just couldn't put them away. The important thing is he gets himself good chances nearly every game and in this league that will be more frequent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Iirc, and those of you of a certain age please help me out, but the patter (irrespective of the song) about Andy Cole was similar, in that that he wasted a lot of chances. Thing was he also scored shit loads. He was always there or thereabouts in the right place, and had a plentiful supply from a phenomenal supporting cast. Wishful thinking maybe, despite their different styles, I can see signs of this 'gift' in Mitro. Think Coley was about the same age/bit older when he joined us. Hoping Mitro follows in the same tracks. (No, I don't mean falls out with the manager and f's off to Man U at the first opportunity!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Iirc, and those of you of a certain age please help me out, but the patter (irrespective of the song) about Andy Cole was similar, in that that he wasted a lot of chances. Thing was he also scored s*** loads. He was always there or thereabouts in the right place, and had a plentiful supply from a phenomenal supporting cast. Wishful thinking maybe, despite their different styles, I can see signs of this 'gift' in Mitro. Think Coley was about the same age/bit older when he joined us. Hoping Mitro follows in the same tracks. (No, I don't mean falls out with the manager and f's off to Man U at the first opportunity!) Cole's conversion rate was excellent for us. He was as lethal as they come whilst here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 What was his conversion rate? Genuine sense was people always going on about needing 4 chances to score. Which evidently wasn't true but nevertheless was the Low Fell patter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Cole was a lethal finisher. We got the best of him similar to Ba before he went downhill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 No arguing with his his record. Phenomal. Best ever return. Loved the guy, bumped into him (and t'others) regularly at Maiden Castle. Just relaying a view at the time by 'toon-obsessed' company I kept, that he wasted loads. Never agreed with it/ always found myself one of the more positive fans but these older and more 'credible' fans moaned about it. Can't place it in time, but guess it was second season/premiership main point is being there, on the end of chances, is key. Add a rub of the green and increased confidence which comes from them going in,and Mitro could have a career defining season/ develop real self-belief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 What was his conversion rate? Genuine sense was people always going on about needing 4 chances to score. Which evidently wasn't true but nevertheless was the Low Fell patter. Don't know the stats but I didn't miss many games home/away then and he rarely disappointed. Ferdinand wasn't as good a finisher I dare say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 What was his conversion rate? Genuine sense was people always going on about needing 4 chances to score. Which evidently wasn't true but nevertheless was the Low Fell patter. Don't know the stats but I didn't miss many games home/away then and he rarely disappointed. Ferdinand wasn't as good a finisher I dare say. Ferdinand wasn't as good a finisher but I'd take him every time over Cole. Purely footballing decision aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Comparing the 3rd all time PL goalscorer to Mitro is taking the piss about tbh Just looking at the stats - by % rate a hell of a lot of Shearer's goals were scored at home/. Probably because we would be attacking in the majority of home games. Had he played for Man U he would be up in the 300's. Rooney's only scored 1 less away goal, Lampard 2 less and Cole 4 less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Iirc, and those of you of a certain age please help me out, but the patter (irrespective of the song) about Andy Cole was similar, in that that he wasted a lot of chances. Thing was he also scored s*** loads. He was always there or thereabouts in the right place, and had a plentiful supply from a phenomenal supporting cast. Wishful thinking maybe, despite their different styles, I can see signs of this 'gift' in Mitro. Think Coley was about the same age/bit older when he joined us. Hoping Mitro follows in the same tracks. (No, I don't mean falls out with the manager and f's off to Man U at the first opportunity!) Absolutely NO comparison between Cole and Mitrovic - Cole had far more pace, especially off the mark, and was a hit from the moment he was put into the side. Mitrovic's best quality is as a target man and he will never get even half of Cole's 93/94 total of 41 goals in a season. Cole was an instinctive striker, perhaps even more so than Shearer, although Shearer was a better all-round CF - Mitro is nowhere near to either player and I doubt he ever will be. We need a better goalscorer than we currently have or it may end up costing us dearly and I bet Rafa thinks along the same lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I was comparing a couple of strikers in their very early twenties, not one who we know went on to break records vs one with an unknown future. Also it is obvious/goes without saying (even though, for the hard of thinking, I did say it) they have different styles. Point was strikers miss and fans moan. Even the best miss. If you've Beardsley, Sellars, & Lee et al lining up multiple chances your also going to score. Mitro could get a good run of confidence building Championship goals ( just like the young Andy) which sets his career off on a similar trajectory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Andy Cole's conversion rate was a lot better for us than many believe, he gets criticism largely for chances he missed for England. My biggest concern with Mitro is the number of times he's actually took air shots when presented with a chance, he may well turn out to be a confidence goal scorer rather than a natural goal scorer. The sooner he bags a goal the better and missing the first 4 games doesn't help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Can't see Mitro doing a Charity Shield though. Cole is dead to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Can't see Mitro doing a Charity Shield though. Cole is dead to me. Yep. That was tough to stomach and wholly unnecessary (despite personal fallout). I did like the Cantona-Cole joke though: Why does Cantona wear his collar up? To stop his neck getting dirty from carrying Cole(coal). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Iirc, and those of you of a certain age please help me out, but the patter (irrespective of the song) about Andy Cole was similar, in that that he wasted a lot of chances. Thing was he also scored shit loads. He was always there or thereabouts in the right place, and had a plentiful supply from a phenomenal supporting cast. Wishful thinking maybe, despite their different styles, I can see signs of this 'gift' in Mitro. Think Coley was about the same age/bit older when he joined us. Hoping Mitro follows in the same tracks. (No, I don't mean falls out with the manager and f's off to Man U at the first opportunity!) I cannot remember Cole missing many chances (if any) to be honest. 68 goals in 84 games tells it's own story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Iirc, and those of you of a certain age please help me out, but the patter (irrespective of the song) about Andy Cole was similar, in that that he wasted a lot of chances. Thing was he also scored shit loads. He was always there or thereabouts in the right place, and had a plentiful supply from a phenomenal supporting cast. Wishful thinking maybe, despite their different styles, I can see signs of this 'gift' in Mitro. Think Coley was about the same age/bit older when he joined us. Hoping Mitro follows in the same tracks. (No, I don't mean falls out with the manager and f's off to Man U at the first opportunity!) I cannot remember Cole missing many chances (if any) to be honest. 68 goals in 84 games tells it's own story. i remember this about cole like but more once he left us...he was clinical as fuck in the short time he had with us but when he went to manyoo it was mentioned a lot that he needed XX chances to bury one etc. difference was at manyoo he got that amount of chances every single fucking game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 'Strikers miss chances' does not excuse poor finishing over the course of a season. Think the Misstrovic like comments are a bit embarrassing and over the top but it's a legitimate concern when we're back up there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Iirc, and those of you of a certain age please help me out, but the patter (irrespective of the song) about Andy Cole was similar, in that that he wasted a lot of chances. Thing was he also scored s*** loads. He was always there or thereabouts in the right place, and had a plentiful supply from a phenomenal supporting cast. Wishful thinking maybe, despite their different styles, I can see signs of this 'gift' in Mitro. Think Coley was about the same age/bit older when he joined us. Hoping Mitro follows in the same tracks. (No, I don't mean falls out with the manager and f's off to Man U at the first opportunity!) Cole's conversion rate was excellent for us. He was as lethal as they come whilst here. This. Imre Varadi was the most erratic striker I can remember for us, but he was still twice the player Mitrovic is. I just really don't get the hero worship for the kid. It's based on absolutely fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 What was his conversion rate? Genuine sense was people always going on about needing 4 chances to score. Which evidently wasn't true but nevertheless was the Low Fell patter. He didn't need 4 chances, he needed Beardsley. Still an absolute bargain at 1.5m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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