Shearergol Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 If Mitrovic has a good world cup, and we are able to add a couple of players that can help improve our possession and attacking play, I definitely feel like Rafa will keep Mitro and give him a chance to lead the line. He’ll win the golden boot and we’ll sell him for £50m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 The fact is though, buying a striker is expensive business, even if we got 20 million for him, I don't see a simple task in replacing him with a player as capable in front of goal for that amount. Rondon, ffs, that takes up the bulk of the fee and replaces him with a player with a far worse goals/minute whose older and frankly not proven anything in this country. In this market it really doesn't make a lot of sense to sell him for less than 30 million, because you simply can't replace him with someone who can score at the same or better rate and has time on his side to develop like Mitro has. How much would Chelsea want for Abraham for example, bidding probably starts at 25 million, they sold a very average Ake for 20 million last year. So with agent fees and signing bonuses and shit like that, that Ashley insists on including, you are barely breaking even and your replacement has a worse goals/mins ratio in the PL than the player you are letting go. Personally think Rafa needs to rethink here, see if he can work him into his system, or tweak it a little unless someone comes along with a ridiculous 30 million plus bid, then snatch their hands off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 The fact is though, buying a striker is expensive business, even if we got 20 million for him, I don't see a simple task in replacing him with a player as capable in front of goal for that amount. Rondon, ffs, that takes up the bulk of the fee and replaces him with a player with a far worse goals/minute whose older and frankly not proven anything in this country. In this market it really doesn't make a lot of sense to sell him for less than 30 million, because you simply can't replace him with someone who can score at the same or better rate and has time on his side to develop like Mitro has. How much would Chelsea want for Abraham for example, bidding probably starts at 25 million, they sold a very average Ake for 20 million last year. So with agent fees and signing bonuses and shit like that, that Ashley insists on including, you are barely breaking even and your replacement has a worse goals/mins ratio in the PL than the player you are letting go. Personally think Rafa needs to rethink here, see if he can work him into his system, or tweak it a little unless someone comes along with a ridiculous 30 million plus bid, then snatch their hands off. I think if Rafa could replace Mitro with Abraham for the same money, he probably would tbh. Fits his style of play more, and that's assuming he didn't think Mitro had the right attitude. Just a hunch though, could be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Going off the strikers that we've went for lately under Rafa (Slimani/Jorgensen) I don't see how either of these are better that Mitro, especially taking into account his potential and his form at the moment. Rafa is the man but getting rid of him would be a mistake, even if we sold Mitro we still wouldn't break our transfer record and £15m is not going to get us anything better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 The fact is though, buying a striker is expensive business, even if we got 20 million for him, I don't see a simple task in replacing him with a player as capable in front of goal for that amount. Rondon, ffs, that takes up the bulk of the fee and replaces him with a player with a far worse goals/minute whose older and frankly not proven anything in this country. In this market it really doesn't make a lot of sense to sell him for less than 30 million, because you simply can't replace him with someone who can score at the same or better rate and has time on his side to develop like Mitro has. How much would Chelsea want for Abraham for example, bidding probably starts at 25 million, they sold a very average Ake for 20 million last year. So with agent fees and signing bonuses and shit like that, that Ashley insists on including, you are barely breaking even and your replacement has a worse goals/mins ratio in the PL than the player you are letting go. Personally think Rafa needs to rethink here, see if he can work him into his system, or tweak it a little unless someone comes along with a ridiculous 30 million plus bid, then snatch their hands off. Mitro can't run, so will never work for Rafa! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 After seeing Golovin's value jump by about £20m yesterday is exactly the reason we should wait until after the WC to entertain any offers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 On the other hand, he could break his leg in the first game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I wonder if Rafa could broker a swap with somewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Going off the strikers that we've went for lately under Rafa (Slimani/Jorgensen) I don't see how either of these are better that Mitro, especially taking into account his potential and his form at the moment. Rafa is the man but getting rid of him would be a mistake, even if we sold Mitro we still wouldn't break our transfer record and £15m is not going to get us anything better. Don't know about Jorgensen, but Slimani would IMO be a much better fit for Rafa's style of play, I still don't think Mitro will work in that system, Rafa would have to change his style of play to accommodate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I love supermac as a player, but as a pundit, the man is painful to read/hear: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aleksandar-mitrovic-isnt-premier-league-14790167 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 The insistence in writing off a young player just seems vindictive to me, even if he does follow it up with "i wish him well" horseshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 The insistence in writing off a young player just seems vindictive to me, even if he does follow it up with "i wish him well" horseshit. It's weird like. The likes of him and Mick Martin seem to hate him, yet do everything they can to say how great someone like Paul Dummett is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexjack Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I love supermac as a player, but as a pundit, the man is painful to read/hear: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aleksandar-mitrovic-isnt-premier-league-14790167 No wonder he can't do well here, when one of our legends is always saying that he sucks. How demoralizing is that? Maybe he has some hidden agenda against him, because he never said a good word about Mitrovic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I have always been fairly neutral on Mitrovic. On the one hand, he's not a bad player and certainly has some qualities about him, on the other, he's never going to be a top level striker as he simply doesn't have the pace or finishing ability. There seems to be an obsession with classing him great or shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexjack Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I have always been fairly neutral on Mitrovic. On the one hand, he's not a bad player and certainly has some qualities about him, on the other, he's never going to be a top level striker as he simply doesn't have the pace or finishing ability. There seems to be an obsession with classing him great or s***. I agree about his pace, but his finishing improved. I think that it will improve even more, because strikers tend to improve their finishing as older they get. And Mac says that he could do great and still be s**t, that's just insane. Imagine Mitrovic scoring against Brazil. That's something Mac can only dream about. And then Mac goes out and says "So what? He scored against brazil, that still doesn't mean his a good player." Also, Palace wants Mitrovic, and Fulham is also in that race. So they probably want to play his strenghts more than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Mitrovic is a very limited footballer which has and will prevent him from ever being a top player, even if he were to score 30 goals in a season. He just doesn’t have the attributes. He isn’t quick, he isn’t even particularly strong, he isn’t two footed, quick footed or able to play a number of roles and he’s tactically simple in terms of having a footballing brain. He’s just an old fashioned rough and ready type centre-forward who will carve out a decent career and get goals, not loads, but enough to justify a starting place in your average PL team or another top-flight side elsewhere. You look at his entire game and there is no stand out aspect. Perez is also an average and limited player too, but his finishing technique is of a good level in terms of finishing off moves, his movement and positioning tactically is also of a good level. Shelvey has his passing despite being another limited and average player. Mitrovic though, really he is no different to someone like Glenn Murray, or Steven Fletcher or Bobby Zamora who today would probably be considered in the 20m bracket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Mitrovic is a very limited footballer which has and will prevent him from ever being a top player, even if he were to score 30 goals in a season. He just doesn’t have the attributes. He isn’t quick, he isn’t even particularly strong, he isn’t two footed, quick footed or able to play a number of roles and he’s tactically simple in terms of having a footballing brain. He’s just an old fashioned rough and ready type centre-forward who will carve out a decent career and get goals, not loads, but enough to justify a starting place in your average PL team or another top-flight side elsewhere. You look at his entire game and there is no stand out aspect. Perez is also an average and limited player too, but his finishing technique is of a good level in terms of finishing off moves, his movement and positioning tactically is also of a good level. Shelvey has his passing despite being another limited and average player. Mitrovic though, really he is no different to someone like Glenn Murray, or Steven Fletcher or Bobby Zamora who today would probably be considered in the 20m bracket. Scoring 30 a season would make him a great player though, so that makes no sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Is anyone claiming he's going to be a top 6 striker though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Mitrovic is a very limited footballer which has and will prevent him from ever being a top player, even if he were to score 30 goals in a season. He just doesn’t have the attributes. He isn’t quick, he isn’t even particularly strong, he isn’t two footed, quick footed or able to play a number of roles and he’s tactically simple in terms of having a footballing brain. He’s just an old fashioned rough and ready type centre-forward who will carve out a decent career and get goals, not loads, but enough to justify a starting place in your average PL team or another top-flight side elsewhere. You look at his entire game and there is no stand out aspect. Perez is also an average and limited player too, but his finishing technique is of a good level in terms of finishing off moves, his movement and positioning tactically is also of a good level. Shelvey has his passing despite being another limited and average player. Mitrovic though, really he is no different to someone like Glenn Murray, or Steven Fletcher or Bobby Zamora who today would probably be considered in the 20m bracket. Scoring 30 a season would make him a great player though, so that makes no sense. Gayle got 20 + in the Championship, does that make him a great player? It’s all about context. Mitrovic will never be a great player, Supermac is right on that one. Again even if he smacked in 30 one season. Phillips did it for the mackems once, still a bang average footballer though. Edit: I meant if he scored 30 goals ONE season, do it every season and that changes things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Macdonald went further than that, he said he would never make it in the premier league, even though he already got 9 in a relegated side as a 20 year old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Mitrovic is a very limited footballer which has and will prevent him from ever being a top player, even if he were to score 30 goals in a season. He just doesn’t have the attributes. He isn’t quick, he isn’t even particularly strong, he isn’t two footed, quick footed or able to play a number of roles and he’s tactically simple in terms of having a footballing brain. He’s just an old fashioned rough and ready type centre-forward who will carve out a decent career and get goals, not loads, but enough to justify a starting place in your average PL team or another top-flight side elsewhere. You look at his entire game and there is no stand out aspect. Perez is also an average and limited player too, but his finishing technique is of a good level in terms of finishing off moves, his movement and positioning tactically is also of a good level. Shelvey has his passing despite being another limited and average player. Mitrovic though, really he is no different to someone like Glenn Murray, or Steven Fletcher or Bobby Zamora who today would probably be considered in the 20m bracket. Scoring 30 a season would make him a great player though, so that makes no sense. Gayle got 20 + in the Championship, does that make him a great player? It’s all about context. Mitrovic will never be a great player, Supermac is right on that one. Again even if he smacked in 30 one season. Phillips did it for the mackems once, still a bang average footballer though. Edit: I meant if he scored 30 goals ONE season, do it every season and that changes things Gayle got 23 so nah, not great. 30’s my marker ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Mitrovic is a very limited footballer which has and will prevent him from ever being a top player, even if he were to score 30 goals in a season. He just doesn’t have the attributes. He isn’t quick, he isn’t even particularly strong, he isn’t two footed, quick footed or able to play a number of roles and he’s tactically simple in terms of having a footballing brain. He’s just an old fashioned rough and ready type centre-forward who will carve out a decent career and get goals, not loads, but enough to justify a starting place in your average PL team or another top-flight side elsewhere. You look at his entire game and there is no stand out aspect. Perez is also an average and limited player too, but his finishing technique is of a good level in terms of finishing off moves, his movement and positioning tactically is also of a good level. Shelvey has his passing despite being another limited and average player. Mitrovic though, really he is no different to someone like Glenn Murray, or Steven Fletcher or Bobby Zamora who today would probably be considered in the 20m bracket. I don't get how you can write off a 23-24 year old as being nothing more than limited. It's nothing like Phillips, Murray, etc who were late 20s before they started scoring at this level. He's already a decent striker but he has 4-5 years to get even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Mitrovic is a very limited footballer which has and will prevent him from ever being a top player, even if he were to score 30 goals in a season. He just doesn’t have the attributes. He isn’t quick, he isn’t even particularly strong, he isn’t two footed, quick footed or able to play a number of roles and he’s tactically simple in terms of having a footballing brain. He’s just an old fashioned rough and ready type centre-forward who will carve out a decent career and get goals, not loads, but enough to justify a starting place in your average PL team or another top-flight side elsewhere. You look at his entire game and there is no stand out aspect. Perez is also an average and limited player too, but his finishing technique is of a good level in terms of finishing off moves, his movement and positioning tactically is also of a good level. Shelvey has his passing despite being another limited and average player. Mitrovic though, really he is no different to someone like Glenn Murray, or Steven Fletcher or Bobby Zamora who today would probably be considered in the 20m bracket. I don't get how you can write off a 23-24 year old as being nothing more than limited. It's nothing like Phillips, Murray, etc who were late 20s before they started scoring at this level. He's already a decent striker but he has 4-5 years to get even better. I’m basing it on his limitations as a footballer. He’s never going to be a top player is he, realistically? If anything Phillips had more to his game and looked a top player for a brief spell. I’m not writing him off by the way, I just don’t see a future for him here, although that’s more down to Rafa and his preferred way of playing and the need to have players that can play in his system, than down to Mitrovic himself. I’m sure he could score 10 goals + for us if we changed our style, but going back to his limitations, you need and want more from a centre-forward these days ideally. I’m not someone who counts goals scored as the be all and end all by the way, it’s about their all-round game and what they bring to the team overall and for us we need more and for a top team, Mitrovic just wouldn’t cut it. IMO anyway. I don’t dislike the lad though and I was pleased he did well for Fulham and if we are to keep him, I wouldn’t mind seeing us at least trying him out and even if that meant we have to change our game plan to get the best out of him. I’d be happy enough with that because either way, with the players we have, top ten is about our max ceiling so it then comes down to aesthetics and preferred style of play. I love a traditional old style CF with wingers either side, it’s my kind of football. Mitrovic in Sir Bobby’s team would have excelled for example, the game has changed massively though sadly and I don’t think he will in our team u less we changed our game drastically and then you have to ask at what expense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I'd have sooner you just said he was shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Is anyone claiming he's going to be a top 6 striker though? He’s been treaed like a God in here, ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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