The College Dropout Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I don't agree. You watch Crouch, Carroll or Benteke they peel off into the far post between CB and FB or just isolate the FB. Nitro is always between CB's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 The goals will come. He gets himself into good positions every match and gets chances. how long are you prepared to wait? How many are you expecting from him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 For Carroll's goal the only player he had to beat in the air was his own player. Then he did rise about the centre back from 6 yards out but it was a poor header. Had another couple on top of that. It's good quality crossing, then you notice up the other end Benteke isn't on the highlights because he's not getting the crosses Carroll is receiving. Benteke is getting a lot of stick at Liverpool but if you don't play to his strengths, you're not going to get the best of him and it's not really him who can be blamed imo. Mitro's goal against Arsenal completed their comeback in that game. Where was our crossing putting pressure on their centre backs who were clearly struggling to handle Mitro all game in the air? Only one I can think of is where De Jong showed a touch of class to even get a shot on target from what was a poor delivery. As TCD said Mitrovic often reacts late to crosses and can't get a run in the defender. For example for his overhead kick yesterday, just before it Janmaat puts in a pretty good cross and Mitrovic didn't even move towards it when it was a perfect ball to attack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If Andy gets a run on a player he's won the header. Mitro is rarely on the move when attacking a header. Mitro's movement for the headed chance against Everton was excellent - pointed out where he wanted the cross, got the run on the defender and made good contact with the ball. Obviously should've hit the target but everything else was good centre-forward play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So our missing game plan is to miraculously put inch perfect crosses onto our strikers' head every game? Fair enough, any striker in the world would thrive on that like. Giovinco would thrive on that. We do get balls into the box and they're hardly all shit, Mbemba and Gini yesterday got on the end of a couple, the latter also looks as though he has for more guile in the box than Mitrovic does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So our missing game plan is to miraculously put inch perfect crosses onto our strikers' head every game? Fair enough, any striker in the world would thrive on that like. Giovinco would thrive on that. We do get balls into the box and they're hardly all shit, Mbemba and Gini yesterday got on the end of a couple, the latter also looks as though he has for more guile in the box than Mitrovic does. Aye we get plenty crosses in like, more than most teams I would imagine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 No but it's not miraculous to put wingers on each side of the pitch to get more crosses in the box. Did we put a single cross in from the left yesterday? We are so predictable and it's always going to be harder to get space for a good delivery when the opposition knows which side you're always attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I would believe the more crosses argument if Mitro didn't look so sluggish in the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Unfortunately we're not in a position where we can wait for him to come good. We're relying on him to score goals now. If we sign a proven goalscorer in the January transfer window we can hopefully get into a safer league position where Mitro's misses aren't so costly and worrying. Take the pressure off him a bit and watch him develop into the striker we know he can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So our missing game plan is to miraculously put inch perfect crosses onto our strikers' head every game? Fair enough, any striker in the world would thrive on that like. Giovinco would thrive on that. We do get balls into the box and they're hardly all shit, Mbemba and Gini yesterday got on the end of a couple, the latter also looks as though he has for more guile in the box than Mitrovic does. Aye we get plenty crosses in like, more than most teams I would imagine Nope, according to the stats we rank 14th in crosses per game. We also attack only 23% down our left side. It's not hard to see why mitro is struggling. Fair enough then, any stats for the last 5 games on crosses? Feels like we're definitely getting plenty of crosses in lately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I think he's struggling because he's 21 and in a new league more than service, I think he'll get better. We're shit, but any half decent Prem striker gets more than 3 in 16 for us. Gini has scored 4 headers alone and is about 3 foot tall. I think more than 2 wingers either side he needs a proper strike partner who can play on the last defender, Perez could probably do it but we keep expecting him to come deep and get involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So our missing game plan is to miraculously put inch perfect crosses onto our strikers' head every game? Fair enough, any striker in the world would thrive on that like. Giovinco would thrive on that. We do get balls into the box and they're hardly all s***, Mbemba and Gini yesterday got on the end of a couple, the latter also looks as though he has for more guile in the box than Mitrovic does. Aye we get plenty crosses in like, more than most teams I would imagine Nope, according to the stats we rank 14th in crosses per game. We also attack only 23% down our left side. It's not hard to see why mitro is struggling. I'm not really a fan of getting the stats out but that basically just shows how inept we are down the left. Not that it wasn't glaringly obvious already. Every opposition manager in the league would know we operate everything down the right. Given we actually have a proper number 9 up top, the lack of crosses is a joke as well. I'm not having its down to lack of movement the reason why we don't whip a ball in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 For Carroll's goal the only player he had to beat in the air was his own player. Then he did rise about the centre back from 6 yards out but it was a poor header. Had another couple on top of that. It's good quality crossing, then you notice up the other end Benteke isn't on the highlights because he's not getting the crosses Carroll is receiving. Benteke is getting a lot of stick at Liverpool but if you don't play to his strengths, you're not going to get the best of him and it's not really him who can be blamed imo. Mitro's goal against Arsenal completed their comeback in that game. Where was our crossing putting pressure on their centre backs who were clearly struggling to handle Mitro all game in the air? Only one I can think of is where De Jong showed a touch of class to even get a shot on target from what was a poor delivery. As TCD said Mitrovic often reacts late to crosses and can't get a run in the defender. For example for his overhead kick yesterday, just before it Janmaat puts in a pretty good cross and Mitrovic didn't even move towards it when it was a perfect ball to attack That's what I've noticed as well, he's on his heels a few times when the crosses come in. His all round game is really good for the most part, but as the centre forward he's ultimately going to be judged on goals and I just think he's not the finished article yet. A lot more potential than Austin, but Austin is more clinical in front of goal right now and that's what gets points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Well you're not going to be the finished article at 21. Even more so with his type of game which generally gets better with experience. He's certainly divided the fans opinion on him. From potential world class to he's never going to make it at this level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Has anyone noticed Mitrovic rarely jumps? As in, he's consistently standing on the ground when challenging for headers. It's really odd to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Well you're not going to be the finished article at 21. Even more so with his type of game which generally gets better with experience. He's certainly divided the fans opinion on him. From potential world class to he's never going to make it at this level Well it's like Villa, all very well to buy potential but if you get relegated in the process it's a bit of a false economy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 He has mastered the chest pass like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Our crosses are mostly shit as well tbh. I don't have an issue understanding Mitro having issues positioning himself when he knows he'll have no idea where a cross would be aimed. tl:dr we need proper wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Our crosses are mostly shit as well tbh. I don't have an issue understanding Mitro having issues positioning himself when he knows he'll have no idea where a cross would be aimed. tl:dr we need proper wingers. This is how I feel. The lad is getting slated but there's no consistency and understanding between him and those supplying the 'crosses'. Until there is he's not going to thrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I was speaking to a couple of neutrals, who have already called him shit. Probably based on watching MOTD and maybe a game or two. My point to them, was that he gets very little in the way of service and only seems to get a couple of half chances or one decent chance a game. There is massive pressure on him because of this and it just amplifies his misses even more. You get someone like Giroud, who misses some great chances, but plays in a superb attacking team. So he's usually going to get another opportunity to rectify his miss, perhaps even 2 or 3. I don't think he is ever going to be prolific. But I think he is far from shit. I like his hold up play, it can be a thankless task up there on your own. But he usually puts himself about and gives defenders something to think about. He has shown the odd glimpse of good link up play, too. The worrying thing is, he is quite similar to Riviere when he gets near the goal If we still had Remy or Ba on the books. It would be great to bring him on slowly and take a bit of pressure off. No way we'd have two expensive strikers like that on the books, though. It was always going to be a huge gamble, to go into the season with Cisse, who has been shit for a while, plus he has had issues with the club and a nagging knee injury for some time. Riviere, who has been awful and never scored a premier league goal. Plus a 21 year old striker, who has never played in the league before. What a great transfer policy we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Feel a bit sorry for the lad. Personally I don't think he's up to being a main striker for a Premier League team yet but our transfer policy of buy young and foreign (from inferior leagues) with the hope of cashing in on him in a couple of years means we are relying on him to fire us out of trouble and on the evidence so far he isn't capable of doing that, again not his fault. A proper centre forward, who is already fit and able needs to be signed this month if we are to stand any chance of staying up and if that's the only signing we make I think it's vital Tiote stays fit and focussed because he showed us all what he brings to the team on Saturday and on his day can play at a level Anita and Colback can't get close to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Personally i would persevere with him. Its a shame they couldn't bring back Armstrong for the big man little man strike force. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Personally i would persevere with him. Its a shame they couldn't bring back Armstrong for the big man little man strike force. I'd agree if we were in mid table. Unfortunately we don't have the time to persevere with a striker who has managed 3 goals in 17 appearances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I think he will long term become a very good player, seen enough glimpses of quality from him, I just hope he realises his potential with us He should not be leading the line, should have been gradually brought into the team and given plenty of time to adjust. A bit like Jon Dahl Tomasson being thrown into the deep end all those years ago and struggling to cope, should not have happened to him and should not be happening to Mitrovic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Bit shit, this kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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