Aleksandar Mitrović

[triggs]

We all said the same about not selling to a rival when Swansea sold Shelvey to us mind

[Unbelievable]

Regardless of what people think of him, selling any player to a relegation rival would be utterly braindead.

 

Wouldn’t even sell Colback to them, because there is always the remote chance that they’ll hit a purple patch and keep them up at our expense.

 

But what if we're using the money from any potential sale to fund the purchase of an incoming player? Yes, we shouldn't really be in that position, but let's assume we are.

 

Do we not sell Mitro or someone else to rival for fear of that player improving them, and therefore miss out on the player we want?

 

In an ideal world you sell to a foreign team, but this is a Mike Ashley world.....

 

Plus said relegation rival could instead spend their money on an actually good striker capable of firing them to safety.

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

Still think Mitro will go on to thrive in the right environment personally. Simple system where he's told to stay in and around the goalmouth with good wingers hoying crosses in and he's a comfortable double figures striker for me.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Still think Mitro will go on to thrive in the right environment personally. Simple system where he's told to stay in and around the goalmouth with good wingers hoying crosses in and he's a comfortable double figures striker for me.

 

Same.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Regardless of what people think of him, selling any player to a relegation rival would be utterly braindead.

 

Wouldn’t even sell Colback to them, because there is always the remote chance that they’ll hit a purple patch and keep them up at our expense.

 

But what if we're using the money from any potential sale to fund the purchase of an incoming player? Yes, we shouldn't really be in that position, but let's assume we are.

 

Do we not sell Mitro or someone else to rival for fear of that player improving them, and therefore miss out on the player we want?

 

In an ideal world you sell to a foreign team, but this is a Mike Ashley world.....

 

The depends on who the striker is that we want.

 

If we’re selling Mitro to buy someone like Deeney or Slimani for £20m, my point stands. Especially when you consider Mitro is much younger with the ability to improve.

[Zero]

For those who may concern, our former target, Tosun, whom cost Everton 24m, is already classified as rubbish from my Everton friends.

[Robster]

For those who may concern, our former target, Tosun, whom cost Everton 24m, is already classified as rubbish from my Everton friends.

After 2 games ?

[Zero]

For those who may concern, our former target, Tosun, whom cost Everton 24m, is already classified as rubbish from my Everton friends.

After 2 games ?

 

Yes, after two games.

[steve_69]

People can only base their opinions on what they have seen on the pitch (which hasn't been very impressive to date) and that's about 1/10000th of what the manager and coaches have seen behind closed doors. Rafa is a very fair and professional manager and i've absolutely no doubt he's given Mitro plenty of chances to break into the first team, but if he's incapable of following specific instructions then he only has himself to blame.

Ultimately this sort of thing comes down to whether you trust the manager's judgement. In the case of Pardew, Carver and McLaren (to a lesser extent) the answer was no. I had absolutely no faith in any of them making a correct decision and i'd probably be calling for Mitro to get more game time. Rafa on the other hand, has my complete and utter trust and if he feels Mitro doesn't deserve to be playing and should be moved on i'm 100% behind him. He's seen a lot more of the guy than any of us have and he knows infinitely more about football than the lot of us.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

People can only base their opinions on what they have seen on the pitch (which hasn't been very impressive to date) and that's about 1/10000th of what the manager and coaches have seen behind closed doors. Rafa is a very fair and professional manager and i've absolutely no doubt he's given Mitro plenty of chances to break into the first team, but if he's incapable of following specific instructions then he only has himself to blame.

Ultimately this sort of thing comes down to whether you trust the manager's judgement. In the case of Pardew, Carver and McLaren (to a lesser extent) the answer was no. I had absolutely no faith in any of them making a correct decision and i'd probably be calling for Mitro to get more game time. Rafa on the other hand, has my complete and utter trust and if he feels Mitro doesn't deserve to be playing and should be moved on i'm 100% behind him. He's seen a lot more of the guy than any of us have and he knows infinitely more about football than the lot of us.

 

Of course I have faith in Rafa above any other manager we've had. But then again, managers always have biases and weird reasons for not liking players. And every manager emphasises different qualities in a player. For Rafa it seems to be following instructions to the letter, which is fair enough. But it doesn't necessarily mean Mitro isn't 'good enough' to start games for us. I think that's what leads to the endless debate - fans just usually don't prioritise attributes like that when they're rating a player.

[TRon]

People can only base their opinions on what they have seen on the pitch (which hasn't been very impressive to date) and that's about 1/10000th of what the manager and coaches have seen behind closed doors. Rafa is a very fair and professional manager and i've absolutely no doubt he's given Mitro plenty of chances to break into the first team, but if he's incapable of following specific instructions then he only has himself to blame.

Ultimately this sort of thing comes down to whether you trust the manager's judgement. In the case of Pardew, Carver and McLaren (to a lesser extent) the answer was no. I had absolutely no faith in any of them making a correct decision and i'd probably be calling for Mitro to get more game time. Rafa on the other hand, has my complete and utter trust and if he feels Mitro doesn't deserve to be playing and should be moved on i'm 100% behind him. He's seen a lot more of the guy than any of us have and he knows infinitely more about football than the lot of us.

 

 

No idea what goes on behind the scenes obviously, but it's hard to argue that Mitro is so bad he can't challenge Joselu for the target man role. The problem is, he hasn't been given a look in this season when the preferred strikers aren't scoring.

[KaKa]

For those who may concern, our former target, Tosun, whom cost Everton 24m, is already classified as rubbish from my Everton friends.

 

[steve_69]

As i've said, for every minute we've seen of Mitro Rafa has seen 2-3 hours behind closed doors. One report has said he refuses to lose weight and has two personal trainers to help him bulk up, against Rafa's wishes. Ultimately the manager's say is final - if Mitro won't lose weight then he doesn't deserve to play. God knows if it's true or not, but the fact is no player should play a single minute in the first team if they won't toe the line. Maybe it';s because he won't stop doing stupid shit in training like he doesn when he's on the pitch - we can't afford to go down to 10 men in any game.

Given how thin and piss weak our squad is i'm sure Rafa would've used him more if there wasn't some sort of disagreement between the two of them or a fundamental difference of opinion. It feels more like Rafa is punishing him rather than just not rating him, but who knows.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

As i've said, for every minute we've seen of Mitro Rafa has seen 2-3 hours behind closed doors. One report has said he refuses to lose weight and has two personal trainers to help him bulk up, against Rafa's wishes. Ultimately the manager's say is final - if Mitro won't lose weight then he doesn't deserve to play. God knows if it's true or not, but the fact is no player should play a single minute in the first team if they won't toe the line. Maybe it';s because he won't stop doing stupid shit in training like he doesn when he's on the pitch - we can't afford to go down to 10 men in any game.

Given how thin and piss weak our squad is i'm sure Rafa would've used him more if there wasn't some sort of disagreement between the two of them or a fundamental difference of opinion. It feels more like Rafa is punishing him rather than just not rating him, but who knows.

 

 

Hold on, do you think Rafa is justified or do you think Rafa is punishing him? Or both?

[Kimbo]

We can't afford to go down to 10 men, yet Shelvey still gets chances. I understand squad discipline and I support being strict with them, but when you have players as shit as ours there's a line you have to walk. Someone like Joselu might be a very good boy, but he's a horrific footballer. If someone is of no use on the pitch then what does it really matter how well they train or how well behaved they are?

[Dinho lad]

Still think Mitro will go on to thrive in the right environment personally. Simple system where he's told to stay in and around the goalmouth with good wingers hoying crosses in and he's a comfortable double figures striker for me.

 

There aren't many teams that play that sort of football anymore.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We can't afford to go down to 10 men, yet Shelvey still gets chances. I understand squad discipline and I support being strict with them, but when you have players as shit as ours there's a line you have to walk. Someone like Joselu might be a very good boy, but he's a horrific footballer. If someone is of no use on the pitch then what does it really matter how well they train or how well behaved they are?

 

I doubt it's to do with his discipline in terms of cards, more to do with his discipline in terms of doing what Rafa wants in the system he wants to play.

[nufcjb]

how many times has Shelvey been sent off? how many has Mitro?

[steve_69]

As i've said, for every minute we've seen of Mitro Rafa has seen 2-3 hours behind closed doors. One report has said he refuses to lose weight and has two personal trainers to help him bulk up, against Rafa's wishes. Ultimately the manager's say is final - if Mitro won't lose weight then he doesn't deserve to play. God knows if it's true or not, but the fact is no player should play a single minute in the first team if they won't toe the line. Maybe it';s because he won't stop doing stupid s*** in training like he doesn when he's on the pitch - we can't afford to go down to 10 men in any game.

Given how thin and p*ss weak our squad is i'm sure Rafa would've used him more if there wasn't some sort of disagreement between the two of them or a fundamental difference of opinion. It feels more like Rafa is punishing him rather than just not rating him, but who knows.

 

 

Hold on, do you think Rafa is justified or do you think Rafa is punishing him? Or both?

 

I personally think Rafa is refusing to pick him based on something he is or isn't doing behind closed doors, so I believe he is being punished in a way. My personal opinion is that if Mitro isn't doing what Rafa is asking him to do then he shouldn't play. There's no point having a piss weak manager (like Pardew) who bows to fan pressure because he can't handle the flack.

Even if the above is bollocks and it's just a case of Rafa not rating him then I'm happy enough for him not to play him - I have complete trust in Rafa's judgement. The man's footballing knowledge is far greater than mine will ever be.

It's that old adage with Mitro - the less a player plays, the better he seems to become in the mind of the fans. The fact is Mitro has never shown much in a Newcastle shirt and is a total liability at times, albeit a very likeable one.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I just fail to understand why Mitro would purposely not follow instructions to the detriment of his career at a club that he is really happy at.

 

He’ll be earning more than he ever has (and ever will unless he moves to a PL club), clearly loves the club, city and people - so why the fuck would he continue to ignore Rafa’s instructions?

[thomas]

Could we not ask the same of HBA under Pardew?

[hoppaz]

I just fail to understand why Mitro would purposely not follow instructions to the detriment of his career at a club that he is really happy at.

 

He’ll be earning more than he ever has (and ever will unless he moves to a PL club), clearly loves the club, city and people - so why the f*** would he continue to ignore Rafa’s instructions?

 

It's not so much instruction but the fact he isn't quick enough to break out from defence and attack quickly. His biggest weakness is pace and it matters most in this league (example of this failure was was Joselu's miss pass to Man City to being in our goal but they were offside - within seconds btw). No other team who is successful slows play down.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I just fail to understand why Mitro would purposely not follow instructions to the detriment of his career at a club that he is really happy at.

 

He’ll be earning more than he ever has (and ever will unless he moves to a PL club), clearly loves the club, city and people - so why the f*** would he continue to ignore Rafa’s instructions?

 

It's not so much instruction but the fact he isn't quick enough to break out from defence and attack quickly. His biggest weakness is pace and it matters most in this league (example of this failure was was Joselu's miss pass to Man City to being in our goal but they were offside - within seconds btw). No other team who is successfully slows play down.

 

Joselu is not quicker than him though. If it was a footballing reason then we wouldn’t be playing Joselu, because he’s no better than Mitro.

[hoppaz]

I just fail to understand why Mitro would purposely not follow instructions to the detriment of his career at a club that he is really happy at.

 

He’ll be earning more than he ever has (and ever will unless he moves to a PL club), clearly loves the club, city and people - so why the f*** would he continue to ignore Rafa’s instructions?

 

It's not so much instruction but the fact he isn't quick enough to break out from defence and attack quickly. His biggest weakness is pace and it matters most in this league (example of this failure was was Joselu's miss pass to Man City to being in our goal but they were offside - within seconds btw). No other team who is successfully slows play down.

 

Joselu is not quicker than him though. If it was a footballing reason then we wouldn’t be playing Joselu, because he’s no better than Mitro.

 

Eh if you watch him in the flesh you will see he is slow mate

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I just fail to understand why Mitro would purposely not follow instructions to the detriment of his career at a club that he is really happy at.

 

He’ll be earning more than he ever has (and ever will unless he moves to a PL club), clearly loves the club, city and people - so why the f*** would he continue to ignore Rafa’s instructions?

 

It's not so much instruction but the fact he isn't quick enough to break out from defence and attack quickly. His biggest weakness is pace and it matters most in this league (example of this failure was was Joselu's miss pass to Man City to being in our goal but they were offside - within seconds btw). No other team who is successfully slows play down.

 

Joselu is not quicker than him though. If it was a footballing reason then we wouldn’t be playing Joselu, because he’s no better than Mitro.

 

Eh if you watch him in the flesh you will see he is slow mate

 

Think I’ve seen both of them enough times in the flesh to establish that they are both as slow as each other.