Aleksandar Mitrović

[Willow]

Definitely the correct level of punishment, example set.

[Superior Acuña]

7 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

All the people who are saying an 8 games is too long or ridiculous. You do me a favour and you go ref on  Saturday or Sunday park, and then tell me if think it's too long. Even do kids under 10's for a glimpse from parents.

 

What amateur players see in a professional game we see on a park pitch, and Mitrovic's push, that push becomes a punch, intimidation that is so violent and so full of vitriol that it scares even the toughest of people, or vandalism to your car or whatever revenge they can extract.

 

All for getting a decision RIGHT. Please go try it, that is all you need to do.

 

 

 

 

I get that's horrible. But Mitrovic isn't the one doing that and nor his 8 game ban going to stop all. Putting the weight of all violence against referees on his shoulders is pretty weird imo. He was out of order, he was rightly sent off and think some sort of extension is reasonable. But it isn't at all proportionate - a deliberate dangerous tackle is actual violence with direct physical consequences, and that gets a three game ban.

 

 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Superior Acuña

[Bimpy474]

It's not putting it all on his shoulders, but if you can't see the connection of some players behaving as they do towards refs, and some managers behaving the way they do on the sidelines as well (i know you didn't mention managers), well what can one say ?

 

Like I say, go try and see it for yourself, you'll see the connection if you do.

 

 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Bimpy474

[Superior Acuña]

3 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

It's not putting it all on his shoulders, but if you can't see the connection of some players behaving as they do towards refs, and some managers behaving the way they do on the sidelines, well what can one say ?

 

Like I say, go try and see it for yourself, you'll see the connection if you do.

 

 

Of course I can see a connection. 

 

Won't be able to see for myself though, since it'll all have stopped now cos of Mitro's 8 game ban.

[WilliamPS]

Agree with the posters saying it’s fair enough - there’s no way they could treat it like a normal red card

 

It’s true that refs allow all sorts of abuse toward them, IMO they shouldn’t allow that either! Be so easy to stamp out, announce it’s a yellow for abusing the refs or surrounding them, enforce it for a few weeks, chuck in some retrospectives yellows if refs don’t do it and it’s sorted by May

[Bimpy474]

Just now, Superior Acuña said:

 

Of course I can see a connection. 

 

Won't be able to see for myself though, since it'll all have stopped now cos of Mitro's 8 game ban.

 

Fair enough 

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

14 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

All the people who are saying an 8 games is too long or ridiculous. You do me a favour and you go ref on  Saturday or Sunday park, and then tell me if think it's too long. Even do kids under 10's for a glimpse from parents.

 

What amateur players see in a professional game we see on a park pitch, and Mitrovic's push, that push becomes a punch, intimidation that is so violent and so full of vitriol that it scares even the toughest of people, or vandalism to your car or whatever revenge they can extract.

 

All for getting a decision RIGHT. Please go try it, that is all you need to do.

 

 

 

I don’t think anyone believes it would be a pleasant experience being pushed and shouted at by Mitrovic like, not sure you need to referee Sunday league footy to know that.

 

4 games is a harsh punishment for any offence in football (short of actually chinning someone), 8 is just ridiculous, it’s almost a quarter of a season.

[Kid Icarus]

It's a two way street tbf, if referees want to be treated as authority figures, more like rugby refs are, then fair enough, do it.

 

But if at the same time nothing's done about the shocking standard of refereeing and they all continue to back each other up, telling us that the black millions can see with their own eyes is white, then it's wishful thinking because fans, pundits, and pros aren't going to respect them or think they deserve respect when it isn't given to them.

 

Authority figures can't just be given unchecked power.

[Hhtoon]

Suarez was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident wasn't he? Not sure the punishment should be comparable personally but different scenarios so

 

Either way really needs stamping out. No point giving Mitro the 8 games and still letting players surround the ref. Use it as a springboard. 

[Bimpy474]

15 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I don’t think anyone believes it would be a pleasant experience being pushed and shouted at by Mitrovic like, not sure you need to referee Sunday league footy to know that.

 

4 games is a harsh punishment for any offence in football (short of actually chinning someone), 8 is just ridiculous, it’s almost a quarter of a season.

 

The point is, Mitrovic's push and other aggression shown to refs, that is expanded ten fold to a Saturday/Sunday League ref. That becomes violence, and other behaviour that is beyond belief coming from grown adults.

 

You see it develop in youth football. I know it'll never be, but if professional players and managers were better behaved you would see improvement lower down. 8 games imo is probably right, and Mitrovic's contrition is welcome. 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Bimpy474

[Bimpy474]

10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It's a two way street tbf, if referees want to be treated as authority figures, more like rugby refs are, then fair enough, do it.

 

But if at the same time nothing's done about the shocking standard of refereeing and they all continue to back each other up, telling us that the black millions can see with their own eyes is white, then it's wishful thinking because fans, pundits, and pros aren't going to respect them or think they deserve respect when it isn't given to them.

 

Authority figures can't just be given unchecked power.

 

You make a good point, it's a vicious circle that never ends with refs, respect, and unchecked power, I can see your point clearly.

 

All I can say as an ex ref now, teams who kept quiet and didn't abuse you, meant they got a better ref on the day.

 

Verbal and physical intimidation really does affect you, you never know if someone is going to confront you in the car park or whatever, and your performance as a ref suffers, and then the game suffers.

 

I was a terrible player to refs, short temper and mouthy and thought refs deserved most of it. Once I decided to ref I realised what a massive cock I was, it shames me really.

 

As a ref I get one look at a incident, just one angle, and you give a honest a decision as you could, then you get all kinds of abuse, from a minority I would add. It would put off lesser willed people than I, it just isn't worth it to some.

[joeyt]

1 hour ago, Kanji said:

8 game  i mean sure yeah, a ban is deserved for someone who puts his hands on a ref but I'm sure the ref is perfectly OK with no mental, physical damage as a result. 

 

 

 

 

You can't be handling the ref and then continue to aggresively square up to him.

 

You don't reckon that could mentally affect the ref?

[LFEE]

55 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

Think it's fair enough with the level of aggression he showed. Even after the red card it looked like he was going to kill him 

 

Needs to an example set for that type of behaviour. It's not much of an issue for the top end of the game but at low levels refs are in actual danger of being attacked for decisions they make. 

 

This totally. A lot of you are missing the bigger picture on this one. The irony is the refs have let standards slip with being lenient dishing cards out for dissent which has now lead us to where we are.

 

How long is it going to take powers that be and rule makers that if you give players an inch they will take a mile.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The standard of refereeing isn’t that bad, there’s only so well humans can do at it. And football rules are subjective and most pundits and fans don’t know the details. 

[joeyt]

24 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The standard of refereeing isn’t that bad, there’s only so well humans can do at it. And football rules are subjective and most pundits and fans don’t know the details. 

 

And in this particular occassion the referee got the decision absolutely spot on, there was nothing for Mitrovic or Silva to complain about

[Exiled in Texas]

And fans are completely biased to their team.

 

consider how you feel about the referee when you win or lose, and then compare that to how you feel when watching a neutral game.

 

Guaranteed that if fans rated the referee after a game - winning team would be positive, the losing team would be negative. And the neutrals would be in the middle. 
 

im convinced this is why we rate overseas referees highly but don’t like the domestic refs. (We have less connection to any specific team in overseas leagues)

[Kanj]

8 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

You can't be handling the ref and then continue to aggresively square up to him.

 

You don't reckon that could mentally affect the ref?

I think refs seem to be on another planet to footballers in terms of how to carry respect and do their job. 
 

but don’t to answer your question, I think it could affect him, but I think that ref slept perfectly fine and has got on with his job and life. 

[joeyt]

2 hours ago, Kanji said:

I think refs seem to be on another planet to footballers in terms of how to carry respect and do their job. 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that?

[Cronky]

I don't think 8 games is enough. Given that the aggression was physical as well as verbal, the ban should be twice that. It's a line no player should cross.

 

My experience of being a ref is limited, but what I found from my brief experience was that you had to make decisions very quickly. It's in the nature of football that the play switches very quickly, and if you hesitate, then things have moved on to a different phase and it's too late. In rugby, the play is more static, and it's easier for a ref to take their time.

 

I also found that, when I did make a dodgy decision, the amount of moaning I got, and its persistence, was very draining. You'd have thought that an incorrect decision was the end of the world.

 

Generally speaking, the standard of refereeing at the top level is very good. If some of the pundits were to gain a bit of experience in refereeing, they might become less strident in their criticism every time a questionable decision gets made. They tend to take it from the players' point of view too much.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Cronky

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Do know what you're saying, I think if his physical action had been worse he would have got longer. Like if he'd pushed the ref to the ground or something. 

[TheBrownBottle]

11 hours ago, Exiled in Texas said:

And fans are completely biased to their team.

 

consider how you feel about the referee when you win or lose, and then compare that to how you feel when watching a neutral game.

 

Guaranteed that if fans rated the referee after a game - winning team would be positive, the losing team would be negative. And the neutrals would be in the middle. 
 

im convinced this is why we rate overseas referees highly but don’t like the domestic refs. (We have less connection to any specific team in overseas leagues)

I was still furious with the refereeing after the Forest game tbh

[Dokko]

FA are appealing his ban and want it extended. Pushing for the rest of the season....at least.

[Kid Icarus]

10 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I was still furious with the refereeing after the Forest game tbh

Yeah, the refereeing in the Wolves match wasn't much better either.

 

Thought Atwell wasn't terrible and let the game flow. He got a few things wrong/inconsistent, but him letting the play go more than made up for it and suited us.

[Hanshithispantz]

16 game ban for pushing a ref 

 

Why?

 

Why not ‘just’ 4 games? Why do we have to go so far beyond what is already a huge punishment in footballing terms?

 

It would be even harder to respect the officials or governing bodies if they insist on blatantly extreme punishments to ‘set an example’, rather than just dishing out a suitable punishment to fit the offence.

 

 

[Chris_R]

37 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

16 game ban for pushing a ref 

 

Why?

 

Why not ‘just’ 4 games? Why do we have to go so far beyond what is already a huge punishment in footballing terms?

 

It would be even harder to respect the officials or governing bodies if they insist on blatantly extreme punishments to ‘set an example’, rather than just dishing out a suitable punishment to fit the offence.

 

 

 

It's not 'blatantly extreme' though.

 

What would you expect if someone started verbally abusing and then pushed the referee in a snooker match? Or cricket? Darts? Why is it more acceptable in football?

 

It's not 'the passion' or 'the heat of the moment', because rugby players somehow manage to not do it. Ever. They call the ref 'sir' and never backchat at all.

 

It's more acceptable in football only because we've allowed it to be more acceptable. These incidents are a self-fulfilling consequence. They can be stopped if we want to stop them though, but it requires tough action to create a mindset change.