Zero Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 unbeaten run What’s wrong with that? We’ve lost one of the last eight PL games; two of the last ten. Both to Man City (who barely count). We're 3 wins in 10, one of which against Man United. We've dropped quite a few points across games against teams around us. Terms like 'unbeaten run' is a bit reaching don't you think? Well, I guess technically we have a four game unbeaten run. But 3 wins, 5 draws and 2 defeats is pretty good recent form--we would have 8 wins, 14 draw and 6 losses if this was our 'average' form for the season (sitting on 38 points, in seventh)--which is how I interpreted Zero's original meaning, i.e. we're doing alright recently and Shelvey has been part of that. Yep, considering our squad, we are doing well, if not alright. We have to understand how shit our options are: Hayden - no need to explain Merino - doesn't look as good as early season, may be carrying an injury Diame - playing great but we all know his form can dip anytime and back to the one we know So losing a player for that position who is playing well and contributed to our unbeaten run is a huge miss. I am not Shelvey fans but the truth is we need him now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Hmm, would say that Shelvey's at the heart of everything we're doing well of late, but sadly also at the heart of everything that's going wrong. Bossed Man United, but not holding out hope seeing a performance like that for a while over 90mins. Can look brilliant when we are on top, but has nothing about him to arrest situations in games going against us. We're no doubt a better side with him than without, but it shouldn't be overlooked he totally melts away and is a hologram whenever we need to hold on, or control a game (Man U aside). Last 10 games, he's been pretty anonymous in the majority - which has also coincided in us dropping points in very winnable games. Man United, and Bournemouth games - can anyone remember him doing anything of note at all in those games? Personally would be inclined to take Man U out of there, as it's a game of no expectation vs. games where we'd be taking points from direct rivals - to conclude on the whole, he's been fairly bad. Not saying that there is anyone better to come in, but at same time he shouldn't be void of criticism just because he's deemed the 'best of a bad bunch'. No one said he is free from any criticism but honestly "hit and miss" is already a plus imo. I even cannot classify Hayden as "hit and miss". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I mean, we only take the lead against Bournemouth because he's playing. Nor Hayden or Merino play that pass. It still wouldn't have been a goal without Bournemouth basically handing us the goal through terrible defending and goalkeeping. Shelvey's been decent for 80% of games, but his 20% where he disappears is also costing us. Not that any replacements are likely to be much better at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Stats-wise, we've scored 14 (league goals) in the 1050 mins that Shelvey hasn't played and 13 in the 1470 mins that he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Pretty obvious that we were sussed after our initial run of good form like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 What period are you referring to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Pretty obvious that we were sussed after our initial run of good form like. We'd have probably got similar results but for Lascelles' injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Pretty obvious that we were sussed after our initial run of good form like. We'd have probably got similar results but for Lascelles' injury. A couple of results maybe, but we couldn't hit a barn door doing that awful run minus 2-3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Pretty obvious that we were sussed after our initial run of good form like. We'd have probably got similar results but for Lascelles' injury. A couple of results maybe, but we couldn't hit a barn door doing that awful run minus 2-3 games. I don't think a lot's changed tbh, we scored two against Bournemouth, but they pretty much put them in the net for us. The goal against Man U was the first decent one I've seen us score for a while, and that was from a set piece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Pretty obvious that we were sussed after our initial run of good form like. Don't agree with that at all myself, we've never changed the way we've played and we've never really stopped creating chances either. We just stopped taking the chances when we needed them because our strikers are shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 We were mainly scoring from set pieces which teams cottoned onto, Lascelles won 2 games in a row iirc. Scored 1 since then I think. Ritchie had like 4 or 5 assists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 We were mainly scoring from set pieces which teams cottoned onto, Lascelles won 2 games in a row iirc. Scored 1 since then I think. Ritchie had like 4 or 5 assists. It just wasn't a sustainable way to win games. And Lascelles isn't Sergio Ramos so it wasn't going to be a regular thing anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Essential that he is back. We need to win and he gives us more going forward than anybody else. Bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenum Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I would keep him for his footballing skills. His mental side is a bit qustionable with regards to disipline and perhaps also motivation to play for us.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey jake Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Been immense so far, so fucking good on the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Jonjo Shelvey is class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Shelvey's obviously in a different class, but it helps that Diame is decent on the ball when he's on form, that gives Jonjo a lot more options in midfield when they are paired together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Played Jonjo. Different class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roids Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Best player in the team. Should be at the WC imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Best player in the team. Should be at the WC imo. Is there a better passer of the ball in the likely England midfield? Not for me there isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Best player in the team. Should be at the WC imo. Is there a better passer of the ball in the likely England midfield? Not for me there isn't. No there isn't but being a midfielder is about much more than just passing. However, he should at least be in consideration. We aren't blessed in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 actual assists today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 home games in a row he has absolutely bossed it. Another fine performance. It seems him and Diame need each other... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Best player in the team. Should be at the WC imo. Is there a better passer of the ball in the likely England midfield? Not for me there isn't. No there isn't but being a midfielder is about much more than just passing. However, he should at least be in consideration. We aren't blessed in that position. 100% agreed. I was thinking more in terms of him being an attacking option off the bench offering something the likes of Dier or Henderson can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Wilshere Henderson Dier Ox has been playing CM. Milner too. Yeah can certainly see Jonjo in the running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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