ExiledGeordie Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 He doesn't score nearly enough goals either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Merino > Shelvey should be the stock substitution around the hour mark in situations like these Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I didn't get a good look at Shelvey's miss, but it was clear as day that Atsu should have passed sooner, once he failed to make that decision it was his responsibility to shoot. If you watch back, especially on slow motion, Atsu’s pause prior to passing makes Cook (no. 3) overrun the ball and leaves a gap to Shelvey. On the other side of the box, Ake catches up to Shelvey in that couple of seconds, but his so called ‘magnificient challenge’ doesn’t get there/ is still too late and is more a lunge to block, but his foot never gets in front of the ball/ Shelvey’s. Meanwhile (in Goalmouth City) Begovic had set himself for a shot by Atsu and is frantically scrambling to get across the goal line. If Shelvey had hit the target, anywhere other than pinged at the keeper, he wasn’t saving it and we’d be talking about Atsu’s clever delay/good peripheral vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Didnt see that Lampard analysis last night but just caught up on it now. Disgraceful from Shelvey, that Take him out of the team and we lose the defence splitting passes, keep him in and we get this shit defensively that can cost us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Always brings this to mind when you see stuff like that: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Excellent analysis of Shelvey on motd last night, highlighted perfectly why we need to upgrade asap. Standing with his hands in his knees in the closing stage rather than making any attempt to pick up runners into the box on both occasions for the goals. That's not good enough and no amount of crisp long passes make up for that. At least he's finding some form in the run though Contributed to us losing two points in the cold light of day. He was brilliant against Man U, but I can't see Rafa being happy with his effort on defending in the build up to those late goals we conceded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I didn't get a good look at Shelvey's miss, but it was clear as day that Atsu should have passed sooner, once he failed to make that decision it was his responsibility to shoot. If you watch back, especially on slow motion, Atsu’s pause prior to passing makes Cook (no. 3) overrun the ball and leaves a gap to Shelvey. On the other side of the box, Ake catches up to Shelvey in that couple of seconds, but his so called ‘magnificient challenge’ doesn’t get there/ is still too late and is more a lunge to block, but his foot never gets in front of the ball/ Shelvey’s. Meanwhile (in Goalmouth City) Begovic had set himself for a shot by Atsu and is frantically scrambling to get across the goal line. If Shelvey had hit the target, anywhere other than pinged at the keeper, he wasn’t saving it and we’d be talking about Atsu’s clever delay/good peripheral vision. I'm not having a go at Atsu, his final ball was actually spot on. And if Gayle had been in the place of Shelvey it would have been game over. But it wasn't Gayle, and it was Shelvey. It's possible that Atsu didn't see Shelvey running from deep, straight away, in which case he did the right thing in holding it up, but given the way Begovic was playing I think a low shot back across the box would have been the correct choice. Just based on percentages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 For the conceded goals I moreso blame Rafa. That is CLASSIC Jonjo Shelvey there. Throughout his career he’s shown he cannot consistently keep up the defensive element of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Need to see it again but anywhere else on the pitch Shelvey gets a free kick for the challenge (they had one the same mind). Shelvey, Perez and Atsu all missed great chances to have killed that game off; what really pissed me off was tha5bonce they’d scored you just knew they’d get another. Rafa should have subbed Shelvey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Not sure why he was pushed into the number 10 position when we didn't need to do that to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Great how BBC motd pundits picked him out. Yet the week before vs Man Utd was man of the match or singing his praises. Its poor from shelvey on the bbc highlights shown, but it looked like he left Mo Diame to take responsibility while he peeled off into space to create a counter should it potentially get knocked into his path, probably being the only player who could put the right pass for Atsu or someone to chase while Bournemouth had their whole side in our area. Its a risk and one that didnt help because it was picked up on both goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Great how BBC motd pundits picked him out. Yet the week before vs Man Utd was man of the match or singing his praises. Its poor from shelvey on the bbc highlights shown, but it looked like he left Mo Diame to take responsibility while he peeled off into space to create a counter should it potentially get knocked into his path, probably being the only player who could put the right pass for Atsu or someone to chase while Bournemouth had their whole side in our area. Its a risk and one that didnt help because it was picked up on both goals. That's fine if we're not winning the match, or not with only seconds to go. To add insult to injury, it was one of their central midfielders that equalised. Rafa will batter him for it when they review it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 He wasn't playing center midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 He wasn't playing football either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 He probably costs us as many points as he wins us like Irritating player and quite dislikeable to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 He's the first one to be blamed for anything. He was playing at Number 10. It's not the number 10's job to be stopping a man in the box scoring. You certainly can't pin Gosling scoring on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 He's the first one to be blamed for anything. He was playing at Number 10. It's not the number 10's job to be stopping a man in the box scoring. You certainly can't pin Gosling scoring on him. In the interview with Lascelles, he was saying how Rafa would call him in and go over video footage of the game and pinpoint exactly what he did wrong, even down to the position of his foot when he landed. I doubt Rafa is going to say it is ok for Shelvey to be excused from any responsibility because he was wearing the number 10 shirt. He was stood watching both goals go in with his hands on his knees. Might well be someone else who gets pulled up for mistakes, but I can't see Rafa being happy with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 In the final seconds of a match, when virtually all of his teammates are in our box desperately trying to see the game out he should be doing he same. I don't care what position he's playing. He's a midfielder and started the game there, it's not good enough to just switch off responsibility because he's at number 10 or whatever. As a midfielder he should be thinking about where he would want to be and tracking the opposition. It may have made no difference whatsoever so it's not a case of simply blaming him for the result. It just wasn't good enough from him, as rightly pointed out on MOTD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 In the final seconds of a match, when virtually all of his teammates are in our box desperately trying to see the game out he should be doing he same. I don't care what position he's playing. He's a midfielder and started the game there, it's not good enough to just switch off responsibility because he's at number 10 or whatever. As a midfielder he should be thinking about where he would want to be and tracking the opposition. It may have made no difference whatsoever so it's not a case of simply blaming him for the result. It just wasn't good enough from him, as rightly pointed out on MOTD. Let's not forget that one of the most important moments of the Man U win was Gayle's double block when back helping defend for our lives. Even if Shelvey was shifted to a No 10 role, I don't think Rafa would've told him not to worry about defending because of that, and I don't believe Shelvey is that thick to think otherwise himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 He's his own worst enemy is our Jonj. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 The goal scorers ran past him for both goals. He should’ve followed the run. Worse still hands on knees to you’re not even pretending to be involved. A full passenger. Not the first time this game happened. He to often shirks responsibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Annoying because he was having great game too. He did a lot of dirty work in the Man U game but it seems like something he’ll never fully improve on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 No good having someone only capable of 60-70 minutes like. I'd bring Merino in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 He was having a very good game. It's a constant trade-off with Shelvey, he's the best player on the pitch regularly but has 5 minute lapses of focus; which when playing to such fine margins as we are this season - you often pay for them. For me he still starts every game like, some will disagree with me here and see it more as a 50/50 split, but I believe the good work he does remains to outweigh the bad. What he brings to the table when on it is not found much outside of the top clubs and I treasure it personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 No good having someone only capable of 60-70 minutes like. I'd bring Merino in. Erm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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