Pons Alias Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 It does sound like calling someone a cunt is ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I have to say if he has said Morrocan prick, I'm not sure that is racist Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Struggling with this one. How is calling an Arab, an Arab racist. As far as i'm aware most Arabs don't regard the name as an insult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 He made an insulting comment with reference to his race etc, whether he's a racist or not is irrelevant. Them's the rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Struggling with this one. How is calling an Arab, an Arab racist. As far as i'm aware most Arabs don't regard the name as an insult. Mention race and your banned. Doesn't matter if it was a racist comment. ((Which it wasn't by definition.)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Strictly speaking he should have called him a 'Caucasoid cunt' apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Don't let this descend into a farce again debating the definitions and merits of racism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 The term 'Arab' isn't racist, but using it in a derogatory sense is. Such as 'Arab Cunt'. Amazing that this still needs explaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Struggling with this one. How is calling an Arab, an Arab racist. As far as i'm aware most Arabs don't regard the name as an insult. Sticking 'fucking' in front of it then its an insult. The fact 'Arab' refers to a persons ethnicity/race/religion means together its a 'racist insult'. It's pretty simple stuff really, i'm struggling with how people can't understand it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 The term 'Arab' isn't racist, but using it in a derogatory sense is. Such as 'Arab c***'. Amazing that this still needs explaining. It doesn't. The fact the definition of racism is being diluted virtually by the week is amazing. How long will it be before calling someone a 'Byker bastard' or 'Wallsend wanker' (no offence) is considered racist. And please, lets not pretend those who have climbed onto their 'high horse' have never uttered a racist comment at some point in their lives. Modern definition of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 The term 'Arab' isn't racist, but using it in a derogatory sense is. Such as 'Arab c***'. Amazing that this still needs explaining. It doesn't. The fact the definition of racism is being diluted virtually by the week is amazing. How long will it be before calling someone a 'Byker b******' or 'Wallsend w*****' (no offence) is considered racist. And please, lets not pretend those who have climbed onto their 'high horse' have never uttered a racist comment at some point in their lives. Modern definition of course. Byker or Wallsend is not a religion, culture or ethnicity. Hence why it wouldn't be racist. There is no need to include a person's religion/culture/ethnicity in any insult, unless you are intending it to be racist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Makes it even more idiotic with the fact one of his own team mates plays for that country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 The term 'Arab' isn't racist, but using it in a derogatory sense is. Such as 'Arab c***'. Amazing that this still needs explaining. It doesn't. The fact the definition of racism is being diluted virtually by the week is amazing. How long will it be before calling someone a 'Byker bastard' or 'Wallsend wanker' (no offence) is considered racist. And please, lets not pretend those who have climbed onto their 'high horse' have never uttered a racist comment at some point in their lives. Modern definition of course. I suggest you read the Equality Act 2010, strangely enough being from Byker or Wallsend isn't a protected characteristic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in 2016. Keep thinking i've logged on to RTG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in full stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in 2016. Keep thinking i've logged on to RTG. Breitbart makes the politics section on there look positively centrist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in 2016. Honestly I can only assume people are wilfully playing dim at this point because they 'don't think it's that bad'. Which is fair enough. I don't think Shelvey's a horrendous racist on the back of this either. I don't think calling someone an 'Arab prick' is the end of the world or out. It's not on, but we can move on from it. It's quite obviously not just "calling an Arab an Arab" though, and the FA rules state that any abuse aimed at a player's ethnicity/religion/nationality is a 5 game minimum ban. Hence why it would also be a 5 game minimum ban for calling someone an "English cunt", or a "Mexican cunt", or a "Jap Cunt" if it was reported. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in 2016. Honestly I can only assume people are wilfully playing dim at this point because they 'don't think it's that bad'. Which is fair enough. I don't think Shelvey's a horrendous racist on the back of this either. I don't think calling someone an 'Arab prick' is the end of the world or out. It's not on, but we can move on from it. It's quite obviously not just "calling an Arab an Arab" though, and the FA rules state that any abuse aimed at a player's ethnicity/religion/nationality is a 5 game minimum ban. Hence why it would also be a 5 game minimum ban for calling someone an "English cunt", or a "Mexican cunt", or a "Jap Cunt" if it was reported. Aye, this is basically my view. I don't think he's a racist and that what he has said is racist as such but he's broken the rules and we have to accept the outcome of it, the FA are not picking on us etc, they were given a complaint and have dealt with it. What i will say, his defense could had been better organised in terms how it was presented to the FA. Also he needs to learn to keep his gob shut at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 We've actually been through this before (probably many times) : Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway? Since you put it before "bastard", same way as lots of other stuff? "e.g. "black" or "white" aren't derogatory terms on their own. "There's a black man standing in the hallway." vs "There's a fat black bastard standing in the hallway." I don't even know why this needs to be explained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in 2016. Honestly I can only assume people are wilfully playing dim at this point because they 'don't think it's that bad'. Which is fair enough. I don't think Shelvey's a horrendous racist on the back of this either. I don't think calling someone an 'Arab prick' is the end of the world or out. It's not on, but we can move on from it. It's quite obviously not just "calling an Arab an Arab" though, and the FA rules state that any abuse aimed at a player's ethnicity/religion/nationality is a 5 game minimum ban. Hence why it would also be a 5 game minimum ban for calling someone an "English cunt", or a "Mexican cunt", or a "Jap Cunt" if it was reported. Aye, this is basically my view. I don't think he's a racist and that what he has said is racist as such but he's broken the rules and we have to accept the outcome of it, the FA are not picking on us etc, they were given a complaint and have dealt with it. What i will say, his defense could had been better organised in terms how it was presented to the FA. Also he needs to learn to keep his gob shut at times. Honsetly I think this, combined with his red rescinded from the Forrest game, he's massively lucky to have only got 5 games. I was expecting a combination of around 10. I don't believe it, but I can see why other clubs think the FA favour us (like we would with the top Prem clubs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in 2016. Honestly I can only assume people are wilfully playing dim at this point because they 'don't think it's that bad'. Which is fair enough. I don't think Shelvey's a horrendous racist on the back of this either. I don't think calling someone an 'Arab prick' is the end of the world or out. It's not on, but we can move on from it. It's quite obviously not just "calling an Arab an Arab" though, and the FA rules state that any abuse aimed at a player's ethnicity/religion/nationality is a 5 game minimum ban. Hence why it would also be a 5 game minimum ban for calling someone an "English cunt", or a "Mexican cunt", or a "Jap Cunt" if it was reported. Aye, this is basically my view. I don't think he's a racist and that what he has said is racist as such but he's broken the rules and we have to accept the outcome of it, the FA are not picking on us etc, they were given a complaint and have dealt with it. What i will say, his defense could had been better organised in terms how it was presented to the FA. Also he needs to learn to keep his gob shut at times. Honsetly I think this, combined with his red rescinded from the Forrest game, he's massively lucky to have only got 5 games. I was expecting a combination of around 10. I don't believe it, but I can see why other clubs think the FA favour us (like we would with the top Prem clubs). Yeah, that's a good point. I bet the club were worried after his sending off v Forest he would be missing up to 2 months worth of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 That report doesn't make a good reading for Shelvey - the silly fucker. Deserved ban and hopefully it will just lie down now causing no unrest in our dressing room, especially when we've got an Arab player already there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Literally can't believe this debate is being had in 2016. Oh I totally can. http://drop.ndtv.com/albums/NEWS/brexit/000_cb87i.jpg http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/GTY-trump-supporters-jef-161101_12x5_1600.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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