Happinesstan Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Once Wilson and Trippier return, that gives us one hell of a starting eleven going into next season. Improve upon Schar Wilson and Dubs and we could be challenging top 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Don’t give him a new deal FFS, we should be looking to get rid of the likes of him as soon as we can in the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, LRD said: He's ok if he can keep up his current form. There will be a transition period where we will have to retain some of the players. Besides the owners have shown good sense in the length of the contracts given out to the new signings. No more 6 year nonsense. But he's still under contract for next season anyway isn't he? Do you really think we'll need him beyond that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Reminds me of Scott Parker some respects. Never really appreciated, much less loved. (And I include myself among the indifferent). He's been quite good. Still I don't think he'll get a new contract. I can see giving Schaar a contract. He's a good squad player, would be very useful in a back three, is suited to Howe's style of play, etc., etc. Replacing him with an equivalent could be a bit pricy with the Newcastle tax and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: Reminds me of Scott Parker some respects. Never really appreciated, much less loved. (And I include myself among the indifferent). He's been quite good. Still I don't think he'll get a new contract. I can see giving Schaar a contract. He's a good squad player, would be very useful in a back three, is suited to Howe's style of play, etc., etc. Replacing him with an equivalent could be a bit pricy with the Newcastle tax and all. Schar is another who I think would reject the chance to be a squad player. Good enough for 1st team in most European leagues. Needs to play to keep his international place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, TRon said: But he's still under contract for next season anyway isn't he? Do you really think we'll need him beyond that? The midfielders worth keeping are Joelinton, Bruno, Willock and current-form Shelvey. We could add a couple more in the summer but there are also other areas to reinforce too. Perhaps they are looking at the home-grown quota. I trust that any extension is of reasonable length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Schar is another who I think would reject the chance to be a squad player. Good enough for 1st team in most European leagues. Needs to play to keep his international place. You're probably right. He'd do well in Italy. Still, the club can make an offer. The next will be his third World Cup. Maybe he'll be looking to retire from International football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: You're probably right. He'd do well in Italy. Still, the club can make an offer. The next will be his third World Cup. Maybe he'll be looking to retire from International football. I'd definitely be looking to keep him, I just wouldn't hold it against him if he left. To think the likes of Dummett and Ritchie were tied down by Bruce and this guy was overlooked. It's fucking criminal. Not that he would have signed for Bruce, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Need to keep a number of the Home Grown players for the 25 man squad, I assume Longstaff, Gayle, Ritchie, Lewis & others will be going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Shelvey still has 2 years to go? Is it 2023 or 2024, I don't remember. I'd hold off on a renewal either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Unfashionable on here and Bruno's going to come in and make an impact at some point, but Shelvey's possibly becoming a bit of an underrated part of our recent run/since Howe came in. Had another solid, unspectacular match again I thought, just keeps us ticking over nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Thought it was hilarious how he just fired every free kick straight at the goalkeeper. Tbh I don't fully hate it either, a hard shot at the keeper has a better chance of going in than his usual trick if firing it forty feet over the bar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said: Unfashionable on here and Bruno's going to come in and make an impact at some point, but Shelvey's possibly becoming a bit of an underrated part of our recent run/since Howe came in. Had another solid, unspectacular match again I thought, just keeps us ticking over nicely. When he is motivated and fit he can go on runs of good form like this. We all know by now though that he can’t be relied on and it’s just a matter of time before something goes to shit. He’s basically our Granit Xhaka. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 been really good and there has been a noticeable improvement in his attitude and effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Wore the armband today and did alright by my accounting of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 He's there on merit at the moment, paying very well and maybe benefitting from a more balamced team around him. My only worry with him is the rush of blood that leads to challenges like he did v Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 He's doing very well, and him being captain doesn't bother me in the slightest. Amazing what a good run of form will do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMLeazesender Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I'll just let Eddie decide, he seems to know what he is doing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Has he showed effort? Yes, has he played better and looked more fit under Howe? Yes he has. Having said the above I still think he’s immobile and slow both on and off the ball. He’s too weak defensively for what he offers offensively. Hope we upgrade our CM enough in the summer so that he’s nowhere near the 1st team next season. IMHO I ideally don’t even want him on the bench for next season if we stay up. I understand that we won’t be signing that many players so I’m content with him being backup to Bruno at best. I know we are winning but I still see so many weaknesses in his game. Details here and there that will be massively improved on once we get one or two new CM in the summer. Players that have quality on the ball but can also run. That will improve us both defensively and offensively. Credit where it’s due though, he’s done reasonably well lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, Ikon said: Has he showed effort? Yes, has he played better and looked more fit under Howe? Yes he has. Having said the above I still think he’s immobile and slow both on and off the ball. He’s too weak defensively for what he offers offensively. Hope we upgrade our CM enough in the summer so that he’s nowhere near the 1st team next season. IMHO I ideally don’t even want him on the bench for next season if we stay up. I understand that we won’t be signing that many players so I’m content with him being backup to Bruno at best. I know we are winning but I still see so many weaknesses in his game. Details here and there that will be massively improved on once we get one or two new CM in the summer. Players that have quality on the ball but can also run. That will improve us both defensively and offensively. Credit where it’s due though, he’s done reasonably well lately. I don't recognise the Shelvey I've seen play since just before Christmas from your post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, madras said: I don't recognise the Shelvey I've seen play since just before Christmas from your post. He has improved greatly but he’s still immobile and a liability. Only a few games ago he should have seen red for a stupid scissor tackle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, Ikon said: He has improved greatly but he’s still immobile and a liability. Only a few games ago he should have seen red for a stupid scissor tackle. Totally agree about the red mist and I posted similar earlier, don't get the immobile bit though, goes against what I've actually watched. He even looks to have more pace making it appear that it wasn't lack of pace but lack of defensive thought that let opposition players run off him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) I get it but even just switching play effectively can be huge if you're set up right, not everything in football has to be some outrageous, defence splitting wonder ball. Pressing, one of the most effective tools in modern football, requiring virtually no actual skill with the ball, is another example of this. It's the same with Henderson under Klopp who has been vital for years despite everyone calling him shite (Henderson is obviously better than Shelvey I know). Edited February 27, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, madras said: Totally agree about the red mist and I posted similar earlier, don't get the immobile bit though, goes against what I've actually watched. He even looks to have more pace making it appear that it wasn't lack of pace but lack of defensive thought that let opposition players run off him. Fair enough mate. Personally I still think and see him chasing shadows too often. But imo it isn’t quite as obvious anymore since we are better in our tactical side of the game and our positioning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, Ikon said: Fair enough mate. Personally I still think and see him chasing shadows too often. But imo it isn’t quite as obvious anymore since we are better in our tactical side of the game and our positioning. Yip, the big thing is, and this goes for a few of them, is this form permanent or temporary ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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