Andros Townsend

[Hanshithispantz]

TBF I've just read Caulkin's timeline and he also says we might get Townsend still.

 

Anyway, nobody knows why we haven't made the signings and obviously with Ashley the fear will always be there. I just think we could be reading too much into this.

 

Also we've just had a transfer window where we did extremely well and overhauled the whole squad. That would suggest to me that our transfer team is working very well.

For the bit in bold I pray the stories at the start of the window are false (or at-least exaggerated) and we haven't changed that policy. I just hope we don't fuck the Townsend deal up for the sake of £2m Theoretically he improves us so much like, I think we will sign him though and QPR will budge on their price.

[Parsley]

Firstly, we obviously aren't interested in Champ players because we can get promoted without buying them.

 

Secondly, yes Rafa wanted players like any manager does. But not managing to get the right ones doesn't mean Rafa is being screwed over.

I'm not saying he's been 'screwed over'. I just don't buy for one second that we failed to sign players purely for reasons out of our control - at best we've decided it's 'too expensive'. We've chose not to sign them and it's looking like the news coming out at the start of the window is true. Mike Ashley has form for this so I'm not sure why people find the concept so hard to believe.

 

From Caulkin:

 

Rafa has pushed for 2 additions and wanted them. That's of greater concern to me.

 

yeah, but Benitez hasn't been trying for what he would consider bad signings. I think he should have been backed.

 

I know because I've been told. Hopefully things will settle down - January is always a tense month.

 

(other bloke "I'm speculating that's the case. And that the "backing" would also have to come from MA. Not sure tbh.") has been an issue. Rafa has worked hard on transfers, permanents & loans. Anyway, let's see how next 24hrs plays out ...

 

(other bloke "any reason why we aren't just buying Townsend  now and saving ourselves £2m?") well I suppose the club would say that's an expensive outlay if they don't go up.

 

But aye, maybe I'm just a mentalist.

In terms of the players that Rafa has targeted though, I think this is a bit unfair.

 

Cleverley - Went to a PL club

Cairney - Quoted £20 million

McCarthy - Not for sale according to Kenwright

Loftus-Cheek - Staying at Chelsea according to Conte

Delph - Looks like he'll be staying put at City

 

I get what you're saying, and if Townsend doesn't come off then I'll be inclined to agree with you, but our failure in the transfer market owes more to the type of player we're looking at than anything else. And there's little point in burdening Rafa with players that he doesn't rate, regardless of whether we're short in certain areas. 

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

If we sign Townsend I'll take it back for the most part like, although I do think holding out for the absolute best deal in situations like this is a bit daft.

[Ronaldo]

TBF I've just read Caulkin's timeline and he also says we might get Townsend still.

 

Anyway, nobody knows why we haven't made the signings and obviously with Ashley the fear will always be there. I just think we could be reading too much into this.

 

Also we've just had a transfer window where we did extremely well and overhauled the whole squad. That would suggest to me that our transfer team is working very well.

 

Ian you thought we were reading too much into it when Carver was put in charge. Time for you to fucking wake up, mate.

 

I wish I had total recall of all your historic opinions, you absolute dick. It should be easy because they'll all smug dismissals of someone else's point.

 

If your point is that nothing has changed at the club then I don't know why you're still even a fan.

 

Tbf his boycott did last until we won at least a couple of games on the bounce.

 

I know what I'd like to bounce, off a curb.

 

Aye, I've been to 3 games in 4 years. So fucking what? Rafa brought me back and he probably deserves better than having his transfer targets ignored by those above and the 'it'll be alreet if we just support tha team, man!!!' brigade.

[madras]

Firstly, we obviously aren't interested in Champ players because we can get promoted without buying them.

 

Secondly, yes Rafa wanted players like any manager does. But not managing to get the right ones doesn't mean Rafa is being screwed over.

I'm not saying he's been 'screwed over'. I just don't buy for one second that we failed to sign players purely for reasons out of our control - at best we've decided it's 'too expensive'. We've chose not to sign them and it's looking like the news coming out at the start of the window is true. Mike Ashley has form for this so I'm not sure why people find the concept so hard to believe.

 

From Caulkin:

 

Rafa has pushed for 2 additions and wanted them. That's of greater concern to me.

 

yeah, but Benitez hasn't been trying for what he would consider bad signings. I think he should have been backed.

 

I know because I've been told. Hopefully things will settle down - January is always a tense month.

 

(other bloke "I'm speculating that's the case. And that the "backing" would also have to come from MA. Not sure tbh.") has been an issue. Rafa has worked hard on transfers, permanents & loans. Anyway, let's see how next 24hrs plays out ...

 

(other bloke "any reason why we aren't just buying Townsend  now and saving ourselves £2m?") well I suppose the club would say that's an expensive outlay if they don't go up.

 

But aye, maybe I'm just a mentalist.

Maybe the player himself wants a loan at this point. He can then hedge his bets, even if it's a loan with obligation to buy IF we get promoted, it's better for the player than sign now and we don't go up.

[Big Geordie]

Would be the most Newcastle thing ever, in failing to invest and promotion blowing up in Ashley's' face. Even if we go up, does shrine seriously believe he will back Benitez? Rafa will walk as Ashley attempts survival on the cheap.

 

I'm amazed so many still haven't wised up when the bloke has owned the club for 9 years. He's a cunt and nothing will change that. He gets off on making or breaking our weekend. That's the truth of it.

 

 

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[lovejoy]

Firstly, we obviously aren't interested in Champ players because we can get promoted without buying them.

 

Secondly, yes Rafa wanted players like any manager does. But not managing to get the right ones doesn't mean Rafa is being screwed over.

 

If we weren't talking about Mike Ashley's nufc I'd agree entirely.

[madras]

Firstly, we obviously aren't interested in Champ players because we can get promoted without buying them.

 

Secondly, yes Rafa wanted players like any manager does. But not managing to get the right ones doesn't mean Rafa is being screwed over.

 

If we weren't talking about Mike Ashley's nufc I'd agree entirely.

I can totally see that....hope it's not though. Rafa was my defence in all this type of stuff. I thought he'd be off straight away if Ashley strated up the crap again.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Can't get over the fact that Ashley is reportedly 'unhappy' with recent transfer business. You made a fucking mint, you mad cunt

[SEMTEX]

I guess I just missed the part where we got promoted already. We should sack Andros off asap, no matter what Rafa wants.

[YNGLEGIONNAIRE]

Rafa has a plan . He needs certain types , certain qualities in players to make that plan work , especially if we make the Premier league.  This season has shown how lacking we are in the right players so very careful investment is crucial. Rafa won't just accept any random token fingers crossed & hope for the best transfers , so it's probably harder to make things happen than it was with Alan , John & Stevie , who didn't have plans , so no " right fit " needed .

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Rafa has a plan . He needs certain types , certain qualities in players to make that plan work , especially if we make the Premier league.  This season has shown how lacking we are in the right players so very careful investment is crucial. Rafa won't just accept any random token fingers crossed & hope for the best transfers , so it's probably harder to make things happen than it was with Alan , John & Stevie , who didn't have plans , so no " right fit " needed .

But he was given funds and had time to find the right players in the summer just gone ( for this season at least) I'm not saying he hasn't done partly well, Clark and Gayle and Ritchie have turned out to be great signings on the whole, but we went into the season lacking, and it should have been rectified in this window but hasn't.

 

Or seemingly hasn't unless something drastic happens tomorrow.

[YNGLEGIONNAIRE]

The summer was majorly about this season though , the Championship . From here on in it's about much more than that , so much more complicated .

[Cronky]

I think a deal for Townsend will go through at the last minute. Everyone's playing hardball, including the player I suspect, but it makes sense all round.

[ExiledGeordie]

I think a deal for Townsend will go through at the last minute. Everyone's playing hardball, including the player I suspect, but it makes sense all round.

 

I think it'll happen too but if it doesn't and they've refused to pay a 2m loan fee offset against the known riches of the prem promotion would secure then I think this raises some serious questions moving forwards.

[sbnufc]

Can't wait for the meltdown at 6:45pm when the teams are  announced and he starts for Palace

[lovejoy]

Sky claiming we're happy to pay £13m in one payment but won't entertain a loan fee.

 

I thought his release clause was meant to be £13m?

[Tooj]

Was that not his release clause with us?

[Guest neesy111]

Sky claiming we're happy to pay £13m in one payment but won't entertain a loan fee.

 

I thought his release clause was meant to be £13m?

 

That was when he was with us. 

[TK-421]

Sky claiming we're happy to pay £13m in one payment but won't entertain a loan fee.

 

I thought his release clause was meant to be £13m?

 

That was when he was with us.

 

It was yesterday, Ryder/The Chronic saying his current deal has a £13m release clause as well...

 

"Sources in the south suggest that Townsend has a minimum fee release clause of £13million in his current deal - just like the one that allowed him to leave Newcastle last summer."

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/what-holding-up-deal-andros-12528362

[sugoinufc]

Rafa has a plan . He needs certain types , certain qualities in players to make that plan work , especially if we make the Premier league.  This season has shown how lacking we are in the right players so very careful investment is crucial. Rafa won't just accept any random token fingers crossed & hope for the best transfers , so it's probably harder to make things happen than it was with Alan , John & Stevie , who didn't have plans , so no " right fit " needed .

But he was given funds and had time to find the right players in the summer just gone ( for this season at least) I'm not saying he hasn't done partly well, Clark and Gayle and Ritchie have turned out to be great signings on the whole, but we went into the season lacking, and it should have been rectified in this window but hasn't.

 

Or seemingly hasn't unless something drastic happens tomorrow.

 

Massive changes in the summer. Difficult to have done more at that time. I still believe we have enough already to go up, so if no one crucial leaves today im not worried if we do not sign anyone. It a difficult and expensive window. And there is no need to average players for high prices coz we have enough already.

 

Townsend would be a good signing coz we know he has PL quality. We can only speculate regarding this deal. If the CP demands are unreasonable then don´t do it...wait for better deals in the summer...imo.

[mrmojorisin75]

Sky claiming we're happy to pay £13m in one payment but won't entertain a loan fee.

 

I thought his release clause was meant to be £13m?

 

That was when he was with us.

 

It was yesterday, Ryder/The Chronic saying his current deal has a £13m release clause as well...

 

"Sources in the south suggest that Townsend has a minimum fee release clause of £13million in his current deal - just like the one that allowed him to leave Newcastle last summer."

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/what-holding-up-deal-andros-12528362

 

skysports had this on their transfer thing as well, kept missing it but it seemed to suggest a deal was waiting on palace completing one of their own, something like that

[lovejoy]

Was that not his release clause with us?

 

Sure i read yesterday that he has another one in this deal?

[Tooj]

Posted above. I hadn't read the article by paperback.

[Dokko]

Bit strange to have another £13m release clause. Keeps doing it and it means every club is effectively loading him from himself with him pocketing a tidy signing on bonus. Surely if we buy him outright we'd remove it, if not I wouldn't bother, we'd always be looking over our shoulders (see Ba)