LionOfGosforth Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 As an aside, I've never known anything like it for some posters on here using these situations as a vehicle for proper falling over themselves to show off about being bog-standard, basically decent human beings like. What a strange and needlessly antagonistic thing to say. Like there's some other way to respond. Making a mental note here to only make revolutionary comments in future when it comes to discussing child abuse from the 90's. Anything else just isn't meaningful or worthwhile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 these comments are becoming less strange and more frequent unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Stop showing off about basic human decency then you fucking weirdos. As if anyone's impressed because Cuba and Deuce would report paedophiles. Yous absolutely love showing off about how basically decent you are, it's proper weird. I'm already the least popular poster on here tbf, so I may as well not bother pulling punches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I'm already the least popular poster on here tbf, so I may as well not bother pulling punches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Brand new information Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deuce Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Stop showing off about basic human decency then you fucking weirdos. As if anyone's impressed because Cuba and Deuce would report paedophiles. Yous absolutely love showing off about how basically decent you are, it's proper weird. I'm already the least popular poster on here tbf, so I may as well not bother pulling punches. We were blatantly asked what we would do if one of our friends were an alleged pedophile, you absolute rectangle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Stop showing off about basic human decency then you fucking weirdos. As if anyone's impressed because Cuba and Deuce would report paedophiles. Yous absolutely love showing off about how basically decent you are, it's proper weird. I'm already the least popular poster on here tbf, so I may as well not bother pulling punches. They were very clearly saying these things in response to hans' statement that he would willingly aid and abet a paedophile given the opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I'm already the least popular poster on here tbf, so I may as well not bother pulling punches. Imagine choosing *this* as the hill to die upon, in a thread about child sexual abuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Stop showing off about basic human decency then you fucking weirdos. As if anyone's impressed because Cuba and Deuce would report paedophiles. Yous absolutely love showing off about how basically decent you are, it's proper weird. I'm already the least popular poster on here tbf, so I may as well not bother pulling punches. They were very clearly saying these things in response to hans' statement that he would willingly aid and abet a paedophile given the opportunity. Weird craic like, as if showing basic human decency and debating this is something to be alarmed and ashamed about. I didn't even think Hans was trying to agree, more that he understood the indecision and therefore, as it's a forum and the question arose, we debated it in a friendly manner. Then KI comes in windmilling aal ower claiming we're showing off and calling us weirdos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Just give is the call whenever you need a hand SEMTEX. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Carver is a thick cunt, but I doubt he’d kept quiet if he thought to a high enough level that any of it was true. We all hear stories as kids for example. Old man Herbert style neighbour, or the teacher who touch lasses inappropriately, or one who’d always get close to the boys. I heard it all, at times believed some of it. Looking back, do I really? I don’t know, probably not for most part, maybe for others. I’m guessing it’s not the first rumour that’s gone round the club, it’s probsbly been said several times over in different cases. Some true, some not. Not sure how carver deals with that or how I would back then. he wouldn’t have been the only one to hear this and done nothing either. It’s a fucking mess and really football, coaches and staff just weren’t equipped with the right skills to deal with it. Now it’s more in the open and victim support at its best and we will see better management throughout football and I’m sure discrimination, racism, victimisation and sexual abuse would be tackled at coaching courses. Carver is a dinosaur, and a stupid one at that, he couldn’t cope with that shit. Maybe he’s guilty of sticking his head in the sand, if so he’ll have to deal with the guilt. Another thought I have is the structure of the club and who he could have told. Imagine him going to shepherd with that, or the then current manager? He may have had a word with someone and told to leave it or they weren’t interested. How far does he go then? Maybe you were right (whoever it was) about people in positions they don’t deserve not wanting to rock the boat. Bit of a mess of thoughts that, just brings up so many questions and scenarios, overall I feel whistleblowers didn’t have that confidence, support structure or legal power as they do now. It’s quite easy to say you’d do it now, because you’ve got it all on you side. Back then you could lose your job, never do the job you love again and basically be blackballed from the only career you know. For a rumour you couldn’t prove? Takes balls that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Basically how I see it, aye. If I knew someone was a nonce I would act (as I assume the vast majority of this forum would). If I heard allegations someone was a nonce I'm not sure how I would react. Carver didn't know his pal was a paedo, he'd heard 2nd hand allegations (of which we haven't seen) and didn't know how to immediately deal with them. There's been countless examples of this kind of thing happening which is why people working with children need clear guidlines on how to report abuse allegations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 That article reads a lot more damning than you are making out. First he didn't hear a rumour he heard someone had made allegations. Secondly he seemed to know enough to act....'Carver said he never confronted Ormond with the allegations, but instead found what he later agreed was “a ruse” to “get George Ormond out of the football club”.' As for the dinosaur comment it's not like your 95 Year old nan who still uses the wrong words. An allegation was made about a bloke in a position of power over kids being a peado and again Carver knew enough to get him out the club without making anything official. It's shit, cowardly and wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Had to edit that post a ridiculous amount, watching the football and it was riddled with typos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Stop showing off about basic human decency then you fucking weirdos. As if anyone's impressed because Cuba and Deuce would report paedophiles. Yous absolutely love showing off about how basically decent you are, it's proper weird. I'm already the least popular poster on here tbf, so I may as well not bother pulling punches. We were blatantly asked what we would do if one of our friends were an alleged pedophile, you absolute rectangle. You were involved before that, not that the question changes anything about whether you were showing off or not like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I'm not sure what evidence you're expecting him to have. I expected him to have no evidence, that’s the point, he’d heard rumours. So what do you do if you hear your mate is a nonce? In the real world, not in the world where you’re some kind of moral prophet? I like to think I'd do the right thing. And I'd like to think I'd be raked over the coals if I didn't. Deuce you god damn show off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Stop showing off about basic human decency then you fucking weirdos. As if anyone's impressed because Cuba and Deuce would report paedophiles. Yous absolutely love showing off about how basically decent you are, it's proper weird. I'm already the least popular poster on here tbf, so I may as well not bother pulling punches. We were blatantly asked what we would do if one of our friends were an alleged pedophile, you absolute rectangle. You were involved before that, not that the question changes anything about whether you were showing off or not like. Could just be that you’re a miserable person. In which case I do empathize, but which ultimately isn’t my fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 It's fucked up. As a parent you'd like to think everyone who's in a position of responsibility for your kids is going to look out for them first and foremost. Unfortunately that's too often not the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Showing off ooh look at me, look at me, I’d report a nonce. Pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Thread's been infected with noncesilitis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Showing off ooh look at me, look at me, I’d report a nonce. Pathetic. Thread's been infected with noncesilitis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Sounds like more than Carver is culpable. Ferris told John Murray and a senior police officer. Whether Bell wanted to pursue the matter or not, it should have been looked onto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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