Mattoon Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Catch 22 really, sack Moyes and go for a quick fix survival, patching up the grand canyon with a few elastoplasts or stick with Moyes, let it play out to probable relegation and build for a better future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Catch 22 really, sack Moyes and go for a quick fix survival, patching up the grand canyon with a few elastoplasts or stick with Moyes, let it play out to probable relegation and build for a better future. Theyll go for a quick fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Quick fix doesn't work without us to rely on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackandWhite Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Aye Short always used the derby game to give him an idea of when to pull the trigger. Always just 2 - 5 games before playing us to go into the derby on a new manager buzz and then get an easy 3 points from a despertae Newcastle team with a clown (Pardew/Carver/Mclaren) in charge of it and extend that high which would see them then gather enough points to stay up. They've not got that to help them plan this time Hopefully the trigger is pulled at the wrong time, this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Quick fix doesn't work without us to rely on. it's a good point. They've stayed up by 3 points or less 4 times in the past 5 seasons 5 points the other time. Their quick fixes have been nothing but luck/Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 seems they get a little bit worse every time they sack a manager, not exactly sure how you for what 5 years are verging on relegation and make 0 improvement despite the tv money going through the roof and its not like they've been employing utter morons the entire time (well except dicanio). A relegation purge on paper seems a good idea but will Short finance that and if it goes wrong it really could be a long time before they get back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I still think he's the best chance they have of stabilising as a decent, maybe even good Premiership side. Their squad is vile and they're never going to get a Benitez. Must be absolutely gutting for the poor c***s. At the start if the season, I would have totally agreed with you. I'm not so sure now. What's clear is he's a manager that needs time, he needed it and got it at Everton. He didn't get it at his previous two jobs. Now though starting to think, his methods are just not working in today's game, he may just have been in the perfect situation at Everton, bought the right sort of players. His signings so far with Sunderland have an air of scatter gun desperation about them and seems like no thought has been put into what the team actually needs, just thnakful for getting players over the line. Don't think he's ever been the most inspiring of managers, but the respect he gained at Everton kept the players believing in him. I think that respect is gone now from players that have not grown up under his stewardship. Perhaps Sunderland would be better off getting rid, going for their quick fix, Hodgson here would be an ideal appointment for them. Whoever comes in though will have a tough job, that squad is shocking it really is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I still think he's the best chance they have of stabilising as a decent, maybe even good Premiership side. Their squad is vile and they're never going to get a Benitez. Must be absolutely gutting for the poor c***s. At the start if the season, I would have totally agreed with you. I'm not so sure now. What's clear is he's a manager that needs time, he needed it and got it at Everton. He didn't get it at his previous two jobs. Now though starting to think, his methods are just not working in today's game, he may just have been in the perfect situation at Everton, bought the right sort of players. His signings so far with Sunderland have an air of scatter gun desperation about them and seems like no thought has been put into what the team actually needs, just thnakful for getting players over the line. Don't think he's ever been the most inspiring of managers, but the respect he gained at Everton kept the players believing in him. I think that respect is gone now from players that have not grown up under his stewardship. Perhaps Sunderland would be better off getting rid, going for their quick fix, Hodgson here would be an ideal appointment for them. Whoever comes in though will have a tough job, that squad is shocking it really is. Moyes isn't a quick fix guy tbh, Everton under him tended to start slow iirc and they went up and down in the early seasons before settling on the 5-8th position. And quick fixes ain't what Sunderland needs they need a rebuild from the ground up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 They're even more stupid than I thought if they sack Moyes. Surely they won't? Where the fuck do they go next if they do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 They're even more stupid than I thought if they sack Moyes. Surely they won't? Where the fuck do they go next if they do? Kev Ball and Micky Gray dreeyem teeyem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 They're even more stupid than I thought if they sack Moyes. Surely they won't? Where the f*** do they go next if they do? Hodgson or Fatso, either would keep them up unfortunately. But they are going to need to be in place before January and have a stellar window, like Fatso did last year, because after the summer I wouldn't trust Moyes with my money if I were the owner, if he thought it was hard to convince players to come in the summer it'll be even harder in January if they haven't picked up their form a little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 They're even more stupid than I thought if they sack Moyes. Surely they won't? Where the f*** do they go next if they do? Hodgson or Fatso, either would keep them up unfortunately. But they are going to need to be in place before January and have a stellar window, like Fatso did last year, because after the summer I wouldn't trust Moyes with my money if I were the owner, if he thought it was hard to convince players to come in the summer it'll be even harder in January if they haven't picked up their form a little. Can't see Allardyce going back. He didn't leave on good terms and was apparently getting annoyed at their lack of transfer activity before England came calling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 They're even more stupid than I thought if they sack Moyes. Surely they won't? Where the fuck do they go next if they do? Kev Ball and Micky Gray dreeyem teeyem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Would they come straight back? They're skint as it is after 10 years of Premier League money, don't have the benefit of being able to sell three players for £70-75m to fund a squad rebuild. I think they'd sink for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 If we switched places with them now they'd probably still get relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 They're even more stupid than I thought if they sack Moyes. Surely they won't? Where the f*** do they go next if they do? Kev Ball and Micky Gray dreeyem teeyem. Can you imagine. Both of them together! The pair of them remind me of the spivs who used to sell towels & pans on the Quayside market in the '80s. Saw 'Bally' in Eldon Square, around that time... a missed Bishop Brennan moment I've often regretted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I could see it. We had everything possible going for us when we went down. They will have nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Would they come straight back? They're skint as it is after 10 years of Premier League money, don't have the benefit of being able to sell three players for £70-75m to fund a squad rebuild. I think they'd sink for a while. think short is surely looking for buyers, they'd presumably get sold for a pittance with the agreement the debt was written off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 WTF is this Hiddink link about?! Presumably whoever mentioned it first was on glue last night?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Gus bus reopen for business marra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 More like the 'Dink Sink Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 So lets get this right. Their strongest side except Defoe (who subsequently came on) was beaten by Southampton's second or third choice team; they have 2 points from 9 games; their fans are revolting and most are ready to hound out yet another manager after just a hand full of games; they're skint and the owner is looking increasingly disinterested; they've paid way over the odds for players on long contracts who have negligible resale value and they play Arsenal tomorrow! I didn't quite understand what they meant when they were going on about us "winning" relegation but it's becoming a little clearer as time goes by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Is there not a chance that Moyes will fall on his sword and walk, if things don't pick up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Is there not a chance that Moyes will fall on his sword and walk, if things don't pick up? Nah, he'll hang about for his bag of cash before leaving. It'll probably come in a plastic bag as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 How did they get off so lightly regarding this ? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/27/ex-sunderland-chief-margaret-byrne---who-quit-over-handling-of-a/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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