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During the unbeaten run we still weren't great going forward iirc, Spurs aside, we just started defending well and Townsend scored a few screamers

Aye, it's not like we put 5 past Spurs, 2 past Liverpool and had a couple of chances to win, and were unlucky not to win against Man City.
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Unconvincing IMO.

Swansea we were horrible and deserved a point

City we derserved a point

Liverpool as I've said I don't think I've seen as bad a 45 in the prem, at 2-0 they eased off, did they have as euro game mid week ?

Palace we were horrible, won but were horrible against a shit palace.

Villa  Needed to win  and at no point did we look like doing it, no desire, no passion, no urgency

Spurs...end of season friendly.

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During the unbeaten run we still weren't great going forward iirc, Spurs aside, we just started defending well and Townsend scored a few screamers

Aye, it's not like we put 5 past Spurs, 2 past Liverpool and had a couple of chances to win, and were unlucky not to win against Man City.

The Spurs game is completely irrelevant, Liverpool should've been beating us by about 5 at half time and completely collapsed which we did well to come back from in fairness, don't remember the City game

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During the unbeaten run we still weren't great going forward iirc, Spurs aside, we just started defending well and Townsend scored a few screamers

Aye, it's not like we put 5 past Spurs, 2 past Liverpool and had a couple of chances to win, and were unlucky not to win against Man City.

The Spurs game is completely irrelevant, Liverpool should've been beating us by about 5 at half time and completely collapsed which we did well to come back from in fairness, don't remember the City game

Make excuses all you want. Spurs irellevient, Liverpool should have scored more and had a midweek game, blah blah blah. The fact is we beat a Spurs team who were more than capable of beating us, bear in mind neither of us had anything to play for. Liverpool didn't score more and we came back in to it. Also there are going to be plenty of teams this season who play midweek games who we come up against. Football is full of iffs and buts. You can't write off a good run under Rafa and proof that he was improving us because we have had a bad 1st week of the season and your nerves have got the better of you. May I remind you that we are only 1 week into the season. Rafa has shown that he is capable of turning our squad around before, and I doubt this bad start is going to be the thing that gets the better of him.
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If we'd won two games on the spin we'd have had the hold ya horses brigade out in force but just like any team that loses 1 or 2, the negatives are so much easier to pick out.

 

I could list umpteen reasons why we have had this start and in no way is it a surprise to me.  The trick now is to get a win as quick as we can although the longer we go without will put more pressure on Mitrovic to perform when he's off his extended grounding.

 

It may also have him frothing at the mouth for the Brighton home game and a warning to the shower room attendant that they may need to get his bath ready before the rest of the side due to chances of an impending early one increasing.

 

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Just need to be more aggressive and loose rather than disciplined and tight. Keeping the shape is excellent if you're under pressure and soaking it up but when you're making the running against teams happy to sit then you need bodies in the final third, movement, pace and a bit of invention. Benitez needs to cut the shackles a bit and let our good players play with a bit of freedom. Lascelles and Mbemba shouldn't need 2 sitting in front of them protecting them, get after teams and cause them problems. We had 4 shots on target at home to Huddersfield.

 

Its got to change, teams are happy to sit and wait and take advantage of our inevitable mistake.

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Unconvincing IMO.

Swansea we were horrible and deserved a point

City we derserved a point

Liverpool as I've said I don't think I've seen as bad a 45 in the prem, at 2-0 they eased off, did they have as euro game mid week ?

Palace we were horrible, won but were horrible against a s*** palace.

Villa  Needed to win  and at no point did we look like doing it, no desire, no passion, no urgency

Spurs...end of season friendly.

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Just need to be more aggressive and loose rather than disciplined and tight. Keeping the shape is excellent if you're under pressure and soaking it up but when you're making the running against teams happy to sit then you need bodies in the final third, movement, pace and a bit of invention. Benitez needs to cut the shackles a bit and let our good players play with a bit of freedom. Lascelles and Mbemba shouldn't need 2 sitting in front of them protecting them, get after teams and cause them problems. We had 4 shots on target at home to Huddersfield.

 

Its got to change, teams are happy to sit and wait and take advantage of our inevitable mistake.

Totally agree. Is Benitez a cut the shackles type  of manager ?
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We're putting nowhere near enough pressure on poor sides. We've not led in a game yet we've had only 6 corners in 2 games.

 

Brighton have had 13, Norwich 13, Villa 13, Wednesday 16. These are all our competition and they've all failed to score in one of their games but they're putting far more pressure on the opposition whilst doing so. There doesn't seem to be any urgency at all when we're behind and we don't have the nous to pen teams back, haven't had for a long time.

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Just need to be more aggressive and loose rather than disciplined and tight. Keeping the shape is excellent if you're under pressure and soaking it up but when you're making the running against teams happy to sit then you need bodies in the final third, movement, pace and a bit of invention. Benitez needs to cut the shackles a bit and let our good players play with a bit of freedom. Lascelles and Mbemba shouldn't need 2 sitting in front of them protecting them, get after teams and cause them problems. We had 4 shots on target at home to Huddersfield.

 

Its got to change, teams are happy to sit and wait and take advantage of our inevitable mistake.

 

We seem to be getting countered easily, is opening the game up going to help that? By the sounds of it, the first half today was really open between the sides and we were apparently still pretty hopeless. I'm not so convinced that going full 4-4-2 and blitzing it is going to work this time either. Teams seem a bit better than the last time we were here, especially tactically.

 

My gut instinct is that the bigger problem is the players' mentality (not attitude) rather than Rafa's tactics - he was pretty open in his NUFCTV interview that they simply didn't do a lot of the things they trained on. That team today, 'on paper', should've still had enough to beat Huddersfield.

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I really did like (was it you Dave?) posting of Bournemouth's results first 10 or so. Few wins followed by really poor stuff before turning it around.

 

Roll on Reading and let's back our manager and our players to get it right

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I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around.

 

We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much.

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I know it was a different league, but it feels like McClaren was given more of a chance than this. Didn't win until our ninth match. :lol:

 

Yeah and look how that turned out!! Rafa won't get us promoted. Must go ASAP.

 

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I know it was a different league, but it feels like McClaren was given more of a chance than this. Didn't win until our ninth match. :lol:

 

Yeah and look how that turned out!! Rafa won't get us promoted. Must go ASAP.

 

Too obvious mate.

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I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around.

 

We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much.

 

It's not a good league Burnley and Hull proved that last year and we proved that in 2009. The problem is the first 2 games we have played negatively against two teams who were nearly relegated last year on top of the team slection which has been bewildering. It's only 2 games but the the mistakes made in those two teams in selction and tactics has been poor. Rafa will hopefully see put this right on Wednesday and a new winger and striker are made this week also. How Anita and Dummett keep getting a game is bewildering. Do I think it will come together possibly which is a big change from a cople of weeks ago when I would have said probably.

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I know it was a different league, but it feels like McClaren was given more of a chance than this. Didn't win until our ninth match. :lol:

 

Yeah and look how that turned out!! Rafa won't get us promoted. Must go ASAP.

 

I don't think Ashley is going to get rid of Rafa any time soon.  That would be like admitting defeat and he is a stubborn wretch of a human.

 

Your best plan would be for you to go out and contract HIV and then try and romance Rafa and see if you can't bum him without a condom.  It may be a bit long term but that would sort things out.

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