steve_69 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Course we have a chance against a decent side. We'll be more effective against decent teams than we were against teams like Russia, Wales and Slovakia IMO. Lesser teams in this tournament don't come out and attack you, which leaves very little space and very few clear cut chances. They basically stick 11 men behind the ball and make themselves incredibly difficult to break down. As soon as we come up against a team with more belief in their own ability we should, in theory, see a better England performance. We've got plenty of pace and some good, technical players who should thrive with a bit more space. Either that or we'll go out with a whimper like we usually do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Had that been Italy or Germany in the last 20 min they would have spent the whole time running at the back line at pace and diving. We still seem to be tournament naive. The squad is big game naive. Not sure how much that matters however. Nearly every player of Beckham's generation would win European competitions and appear in multiple finals at club level then look naive for England. In this whole squad only Rooney and Joe Hart have been in CL semi finals or better. The Germans I watched the game with were saying that these have been the best overall Eng performances they have seen for ages and that I was being too critical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Had that been Italy or Germany in the last 20 min they would have spent the whole time running at the back line at pace and diving. We still seem to be tournament naive. The squad is big game naive. Not sure how much that matters however. Nearly every player of Beckham's generation would win European competitions and appear in multiple finals at club level then look naive for England. In this whole squad only Rooney and Joe Hart have been in CL semi finals or better. The Germans I watched the game with were saying that these have been the best overall Eng performances they have seen for ages and that I was being too critical. Russia and Slovakia are shit though. Wales under performed. The quality of the group was awful. I agree we played some nice stuff but little penetration. Alli aside there's no goals in midfield. None of the CM's bar Rooney seem able to make an incisive pass. Like Lallana's ability to win the ball high up though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Urgh sick as a chip again this morning. I really want to get up for it with England, and it's particularly frustrating atm because we've clearly got the makings of a good side. I don't want to lay into Hodgson because he's a good man and I like a lot of what he does, but if we slump out as also-rans yet again, he'll have to take a massive portion of the blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It was so obvious what the problems were, same as it was against Wales and Russia. Not getting the ball into dangerous areas quickly enough, and not attacking with the required level of intensity. Without Alli and Rooney there wasn't a CM willing to be the 3rd man runner, or even to dribble forward themselves. Basically passed the ball around the defence until Slovakia retreated into their 11 men behind the ball shape. But then you look at the stats, 29 shots with only 5 on target, there's only so much blame you can put on a manager for players not taking their chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I don't think we played too badly last night tbh. Lack of a wide player to stretch the game was obviously an issue but we all knew that going in to the tournament. Could / should have been 1 or 2 nil on another day with the chances missed/saves/blocks etc. Yes it's galling to not top the group but it's not the end of the world. Have to say the main thing that annoyed me yday was the reluctance to toss the ball back in to the box straight away following a cleared corner/FK. Every time Smalling/Cahill were peeling away to the far post for the returned diagonal and not once did it come. Must've been an instruction but it was a chance wasted for me. Dunno how it came across on the to last night but the atmosphere was absolutely class. Both sets of fans at it from the off and the England fans second half were something else, one of the best I've ever been involved with. On a final note, you don't half get some 'interesting' people following England. A choice old bunch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 From the Beeb Joe Hart (goalkeeper) 6 One anxious second half moment of confusion with Chris Smalling and some routine work, but otherwise untroubled. Nathaniel Clyne (right-back) 7 A real threat going forward with some good crosses and almost scored in the second half. Had little to do defensively. Gary Cahill (centre-back) 6 Had little to do but what he did was solid and effective. Chris Smalling (centre-back) 6 Same as Cahill. He had that one worrying moment with Hart but was never given much work to do. Ryan Bertrand (left-back) 5 Spent too much time going into challenges with his arms in dangerous positions and was deservedly booked. Did not make any sort of case to oust Danny Rose. Eric Dier (midfielder) 8 Dier is having an excellent Euro 2016. Solid as a rock as the defensive shield but also contributed as England pressed forward and looked like he might even break the deadlock late on. Jack Wilshere (midfielder) 4 Looked exactly what he is. Less than fully fit and off the pace after barely any game time for Arsenal last season. A poor selection. Jordan Henderson (midfielder) 5 Had a good spell in the middle of the first half but too many poor deliveries and simply not enough quality. Did not take his chance. Adam Lallana (forward) 5 Positive opening with good feet, but lacked a cutting edge when in scoring positions. Daniel Sturridge (forward) 5 Started well with some neat touches but then drifted out of the game. Came too deep and was marginalised. Jamie Vardy (forward) 5 Tireless running and hustling of Slovakia's defence. Should have scored in the first half. His effectiveness was reduced when Slovakia camped on the edge of their own area for the last 30 minutes. Substitutes Wayne Rooney (on for Wilshere, 55 minutes) 6 Slovakia were already in base camp on the edge of their own area when he came on. Tried hard but could not fashion a breakthrough. Dele Alli (on for Lallana, 60 minutes) 5 Almost scored seconds after coming on but still waiting to make his impact on the tournament. Harry Kane (on for Sturridge, 74 minutes) 5 One or two half chances but the pattern of the game was set when he came on. Some strange ones there. Lallana only a 5? Rooney got a 6? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rooney a 6? He played like Peter Kay in a John Smiths' commercial. Came on, belted it out of play twice, then slalomed forward with the agility of a steamroller to get dispossessed twice. The commentators said he was "finding his range" and taking the game by the scruff of the neck, so that's okay though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rooney a 6? He played like Peter Kay in a John Smiths' commercial. Came on, belted it out of play twice, then slalomed forward with the agility of a steamroller to get dispossessed twice. The commentators said he was "finding his range" and taking the game by the scruff of the neck, so that's okay though. He was fucking awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I don't think we played too badly last night tbh. Lack of a wide player to stretch the game was obviously an issue but we all knew that going in to the tournament. Could / should have been 1 or 2 nil on another day with the chances missed/saves/blocks etc. Yes it's galling to not top the group but it's not the end of the world. Have to say the main thing that annoyed me yday was the reluctance to toss the ball back in to the box straight away following a cleared corner/FK. Every time Smalling/Cahill were peeling away to the far post for the returned diagonal and not once did it come. Must've been an instruction but it was a chance wasted for me. Dunno how it came across on the to last night but the atmosphere was absolutely class. Both sets of fans at it from the off and the England fans second half were something else, one of the best I've ever been involved with. On a final note, you don't half get some 'interesting' people following England. A choice old bunch. Atmosphere was class on the tele Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Caught that "finding his range" after his 2nd overhit cross Nee bother, we'll just give him the ball another couple of times until he can pick Sketel's head out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rewatching the Wales game last night, Joe Allen was really impressive. Russia seemed to be playing a kamikaze defensive line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Had that been Italy or Germany in the last 20 min they would have spent the whole time running at the back line at pace and diving. We still seem to be tournament naive. Over the course of the game, I'm sure that we missed out on at least half a dozen free kicks by trying to stay on our feet or not going over with that just-been-shot attitude. I do think that young players on the continent are taught techniques for buying free kicks. NB y'all - I'm not talking about going over when you haven't been touched. I'm talking about taking the contact and making sure it looks like a foul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Had that been Italy or Germany in the last 20 min they would have spent the whole time running at the back line at pace and diving. We still seem to be tournament naive. The squad is big game naive. Not sure how much that matters however. Nearly every player of Beckham's generation would win European competitions and appear in multiple finals at club level then look naive for England. In this whole squad only Rooney and Joe Hart have been in CL semi finals or better. The Germans I watched the game with were saying that these have been the best overall Eng performances they have seen for ages and that I was being too critical. I'd agree in the sense that this England team is far more comfortable on the ball as a unit than any other that I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 ITV's a fucking jinx. That is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rooney a 6? He played like Peter Kay in a John Smiths' commercial. Came on, belted it out of play twice, then slalomed forward with the agility of a steamroller to get dispossessed twice. The commentators said he was "finding his range" and taking the game by the scruff of the neck, so that's okay though. He was fucking awful. Someone said that he looked like Neil Ruddock and had it spot on. He reverted to the Rooney we knew in that match. Lallana's a player that I've disliked for no real reason for ages, but he's performed well in all 3 of the matches so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Was trying a bit too hard when he came on to be the matchwinner, works much better as a starter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 England again are a misjointed team. The defence is actually OK, nothing spectacular, but the centre-backs are a decent pairing and the full-backs get forward well and have enough pace and energy to defend the flank. Attack is very good too. But that midfield is s***, Dier and Ali aside. Lallana plays for England like he did pre Klopp for Liverpool. I'd play Kane and Vardy up front and play with wingers. Townsend should have went. Rooney and Henderson lack energy and Wilshire is unfit and Milner is bang average. That and Roy's tactics will harm England which is a shame because we have some good players and can cause teams problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rooney a 6? He played like Peter Kay in a John Smiths' commercial. Came on, belted it out of play twice, then slalomed forward with the agility of a steamroller to get dispossessed twice. The commentators said he was "finding his range" and taking the game by the scruff of the neck, so that's okay though. He was f***ing awful. Someone said that he looked like Neil Ruddock and had it spot on. He reverted to the Rooney we knew in that match. Lallana's a player that I've disliked for no real reason for ages, but he's performed well in all 3 of the matches so far. If Lallana had a pace and maybe a bit more strength he'd be awesome imo. His touch is beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Lallana reminds me of a shit Ozil that works harder. Final ball often isn't there with him. Poor finisher. But gracefully controls the ball and has elegant ball control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollof rice and pea Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Slightly quicker Hleb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I think Milner could offer a lot more to this team than most will want to admit, because he's James Milner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 ITV's a fucking jinx. That is all. Always have been Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Defence hasn't really been tested yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Defence hasn't really been tested yet. And that's where it'll all fall apart once it is tested. Can't see us coming back into a game against a decent side, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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