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[Wallsendmag]

The name is massively important sorry. You are effectively trying to create a brand and now away from an already established brand in GF. Think smart, think hard. Wor hyem, or Wor flags will resonate with a handful, you need to emcompass all. I'm not knocking btw, but I've been involved with brand development in the past and it's essential you get this right. Keep thinking, seriously!

 

You're overthinking this. It's a group of lads/lasses making and displaying some flags. The rest of the people in the Gallowgate will hold them up/pass the surfer over their heads regardless of what they call themselves.

 

Brand development 

[Guest neesy111]

HTT is right, it is about making a brand.  Everything's a brand these days.

[Guest milburn990]

If GF is not trademarked grow a set and just keep the name, what's the problem. What a weak bunch of pussies, how embarrassing.

If it is trademarked try Strawberry Flags, fuck them.

[Darth Crooks]

The name isn't all that important really, though it wouldn't be my compromise, as long as the visual quality remains. Good luck to them.

[sbnufc]

Guarantee at some point media somewhere will call it "war flags"

 

Most of the media will ignore it, until Man U or Spurs start doing it

as other said already in here, GF already had some mentions

[henke]

 

 

You call the new group GF. You set up a twitter account like GF flags, or toonGF. People will still call yous gallowgate flags of course but your man gets to keep the real name and the twitter account that'll be no use to him whatsoever.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

The name is massively important sorry. You are effectively trying to create a brand and now away from an already established brand in GF. Think smart, think hard. Wor hyem, or Wor flags will resonate with a handful, you need to emcompass all. I'm not knocking btw, but I've been involved with brand development in the past and it's essential you get this right. Keep thinking, seriously!

 

You're overthinking this. It's a group of lads/lasses making and displaying some flags. The rest of the people in the Gallowgate will hold them up/pass the surfer over their heads regardless of what they call themselves.

 

Brand development 

 

If its Mickey and his mates aye, but if you want to develop something that the club will allow and work with, that the media will cover, that can grow on social media and become more than juts a bunch of mates with flags and stuff it is essential you get the name right. Go with Wor Hyem and I guarantee it will not get anywhere near the traction Gallowgate Flags has and that's because its a naff name, in fact its fucking shit and something I wouldn't personally bother with just on that principle alone. Mind, I'm a twat, but I come from a background in brand development, web design etc.

 

In this day and age of social media and with the traditional media all for fan groups etc., its vitally important to get the right name and branding. If you think it means nowt, that's because you know nowt.

[Wallsendmag]

The name is massively important sorry. You are effectively trying to create a brand and now away from an already established brand in GF. Think smart, think hard. Wor hyem, or Wor flags will resonate with a handful, you need to emcompass all. I'm not knocking btw, but I've been involved with brand development in the past and it's essential you get this right. Keep thinking, seriously!

 

You're overthinking this. It's a group of lads/lasses making and displaying some flags. The rest of the people in the Gallowgate will hold them up/pass the surfer over their heads regardless of what they call themselves.

 

Brand development 

 

If its Mickey and his mates aye, but if you want to develop something that the club will allow and work with, that the media will cover, that can grow on social media and become more than juts a bunch of mates with flags and stuff it is essential you get the name right. Go with Wor Hyem and I guarantee it will not get anywhere near the traction Gallowgate Flags has and that's because its a naff name, in fact its f***ing s*** and something I wouldn't personally bother with just on that principle alone. Mind, I'm a t***, but I come from a background in brand development, web design etc.

 

In this day and age of social media and with the traditional media all for fan groups etc., its vitally important to get the right name and branding. If you think it means nowt, that's because you know nowt.

 

Pathetic. Doubt even Michael Martin could spit a dummy that far.

[Jimburst]

Aye , awful point but the rest of the post is pretty much bang on.

[Away Day Gadgie]

I agree with HTT.  If people like the flags and want the thing to grow long term, it needs to be branded properly.  Having a name that a fair percentage of fans think is shit is definitely going to damage what they're trying to do.

[Dave]

Pretty sure the vast majority won't give a shite what the name is tbh.

[Wallsendmag]

I agree with HTT.  If people like the flags and want the thing to grow long term, it needs to be branded properly.  Having a name that a fair percentage of fans think is s*** is definitely going to damage what they're trying to do.

 

How do you know a fair percentage of fans think it's s***? Please don't say you're basing that on what a dozen or so people on here (who love to moan about anything anyway) are saying. From what I've read on social media the name has been quite well received and the Wor Hyem and Gallowgate Flags Twitter accounts both had similar sized followings (4.5k each) so the earlier comments about the name not reaching out to people on places like Twitter/Facebook etc are largely unfounded.

 

They could have came up with a better name, I agree, but what the group are called isn't going to stop most normal people from chipping in a few quid every now and then when they have a big display planned or from holding up a flag before the match.

 

Anyone standing there in the huff, arms folded and refusing to participate when one of the surfer flags goes over their head because they don't like a name is a bit of a tit tbh.

[Away Day Gadgie]

I agree with HTT.  If people like the flags and want the thing to grow long term, it needs to be branded properly.  Having a name that a fair percentage of fans think is s*** is definitely going to damage what they're trying to do.

 

How do you know a fair percentage of fans think it's s***? Please don't say you're basing that on what a dozen or so people on here (who love to moan about anything anyway) are saying. From what I've read on social media the name has been quite well received and the Wor Hyem and Gallowgate Flags Twitter accounts both had similar sized followings (4.5k each) so the earlier comments about the name not reaching out to people on places like Twitter/Facebook etc are largely unfounded.

 

They could have came up with a better name, I agree, but what the group are called isn't going to stop most normal people from chipping in a few quid every now and then when they have a big display planned or from holding up a flag before the match.

 

Anyone standing there in the huff, arms folded and refusing to participate when one of the surfer flags goes over their head because they don't like a name is a bit of a tit tbh.

To be honest i am mainly going off what posters on here are saying. What makes me laugh though, is you're discrediting this forum as a poor source of opinion then in literally the next sentence you use Facebook and Twitter as a source for your side of the argument!    Howay man we all know that the majority of people that use social media are morons, the exactly reason why i got rid of them both about a year ago.  I'd rather go off this forum where at least most posters can actually string a sentence together. 

 

I've also worked in advertising/marketing and it's been proven time and time again that the name of a brand/business has a significant effect on how it performs, especially when that brand is relying on donations from the public. 

 

You're right, some people won't be arsed about the name, but Gallogate Flags stand a much better chance of growing if they have a name that doesn't sound daft.  I'm not expecting you to agree with me all of a sudden but that's my opinion based on what i know

[Guest neesy111]

I agree with HTT.  If people like the flags and want the thing to grow long term, it needs to be branded properly.  Having a name that a fair percentage of fans think is s*** is definitely going to damage what they're trying to do.

 

How do you know a fair percentage of fans think it's s***? Please don't say you're basing that on what a dozen or so people on here (who love to moan about anything anyway) are saying. From what I've read on social media the name has been quite well received and the Wor Hyem and Gallowgate Flags Twitter accounts both had similar sized followings (4.5k each) so the earlier comments about the name not reaching out to people on places like Twitter/Facebook etc are largely unfounded.

 

They could have came up with a better name, I agree, but what the group are called isn't going to stop most normal people from chipping in a few quid every now and then when they have a big display planned or from holding up a flag before the match.

 

Anyone standing there in the huff, arms folded and refusing to participate when one of the surfer flags goes over their head because they don't like a name is a bit of a tit tbh.

 

[Wallsendmag]

I agree with HTT.  If people like the flags and want the thing to grow long term, it needs to be branded properly.  Having a name that a fair percentage of fans think is s*** is definitely going to damage what they're trying to do.

 

How do you know a fair percentage of fans think it's s***? Please don't say you're basing that on what a dozen or so people on here (who love to moan about anything anyway) are saying. From what I've read on social media the name has been quite well received and the Wor Hyem and Gallowgate Flags Twitter accounts both had similar sized followings (4.5k each) so the earlier comments about the name not reaching out to people on places like Twitter/Facebook etc are largely unfounded.

 

They could have came up with a better name, I agree, but what the group are called isn't going to stop most normal people from chipping in a few quid every now and then when they have a big display planned or from holding up a flag before the match.

 

Anyone standing there in the huff, arms folded and refusing to participate when one of the surfer flags goes over their head because they don't like a name is a bit of a tit tbh.

To be honest i am mainly going off what posters on here are saying. What makes me laugh though, is you're discrediting this forum as a poor source of opinion then in literally the next sentence you use Facebook and Twitter as a source for your side of the argument!    Howay man we all know that the majority of people that use social media are morons, the exactly reason why i got rid of them both about a year ago.  I'd rather go off this forum where at least most posters can actually string a sentence together. 

 

I've also worked in advertising/marketing and it's been proven time and time again that the name of a brand/business has a significant effect on how it performs, especially when that brand is relying on donations from the public. 

 

You're right, some people won't be arsed about the name, but Gallogate Flags stand a much better chance of growing if they have a name that doesn't sound daft.  I'm not expecting you to agree with me all of a sudden but that's my opinion based on what i know

 

I mentioned Twitter and Facebook in response to him suggesting growing the brand on social media.

[Away Day Gadgie]

I agree with HTT.  If people like the flags and want the thing to grow long term, it needs to be branded properly.  Having a name that a fair percentage of fans think is s*** is definitely going to damage what they're trying to do.

 

How do you know a fair percentage of fans think it's s***? Please don't say you're basing that on what a dozen or so people on here (who love to moan about anything anyway) are saying. From what I've read on social media the name has been quite well received and the Wor Hyem and Gallowgate Flags Twitter accounts both had similar sized followings (4.5k each) so the earlier comments about the name not reaching out to people on places like Twitter/Facebook etc are largely unfounded.

 

They could have came up with a better name, I agree, but what the group are called isn't going to stop most normal people from chipping in a few quid every now and then when they have a big display planned or from holding up a flag before the match.

 

Anyone standing there in the huff, arms folded and refusing to participate when one of the surfer flags goes over their head because they don't like a name is a bit of a tit tbh.

To be honest i am mainly going off what posters on here are saying. What makes me laugh though, is you're discrediting this forum as a poor source of opinion then in literally the next sentence you use Facebook and Twitter as a source for your side of the argument!    Howay man we all know that the majority of people that use social media are morons, the exactly reason why i got rid of them both about a year ago.  I'd rather go off this forum where at least most posters can actually string a sentence together. 

 

I've also worked in advertising/marketing and it's been proven time and time again that the name of a brand/business has a significant effect on how it performs, especially when that brand is relying on donations from the public. 

 

You're right, some people won't be arsed about the name, but Gallogate Flags stand a much better chance of growing if they have a name that doesn't sound daft.  I'm not expecting you to agree with me all of a sudden but that's my opinion based on what i know

 

I mentioned Twitter and Facebook in response to him suggesting growing the brand on social media.

Fair play.

 

I guess it boils down to what a person's opinion on what they'd like Gallowgate Flags to become.  If people are happy with it the way it is with the potential for it to fizzle out over time then the name definitely isn't important.  But if people want it to grow into an organisation that is talked about up and down the country and possibly even around Europe then having it marketed in the right way would be massive in creating interest, and more importantly, donations.

 

Personally i'd like to see it become massive, i think it would give the club some of it's identity back after years of shit under the fat man.

[Sean]

The name is massively important, maybe not so much to us fans but in order for this to be able to grow and gain/keep national publicity etc. Marketing and brand identity is huge.

 

But whats the point in gaining national publicity only to change the name days later? Massive own goal and seems very petty from the "owners" of the name.

[Guest]

They're against the Xmas Eve fixtures so I hope they encourage a boycott if we do play the fixture that date. "Wor Hyem staying at Wor Hyem for Christmas" would be a good slogan.

[JCONA]

The name is massively important, maybe not so much to us fans but in order for this to be able to grow and gain/keep national publicity etc. Marketing and brand identity is huge.

 

But whats the point in gaining national publicity only to change the name days later? Massive own goal and seems very petty from the "owners" of the name.

 

I may be missing something here but why do we need national publicity on this? These flags are for us, if visiting fans or people on TV like what they see then great, they'll tell their friends the atmosphere at st james' is fantastic. I really know know why the name is that important.

 

Despite my point, I also don't like the new name!

[Wallsendmag]

The name is massively important, maybe not so much to us fans but in order for this to be able to grow and gain/keep national publicity etc. Marketing and brand identity is huge.

 

But whats the point in gaining national publicity only to change the name days later? Massive own goal and seems very petty from the "owners" of the name.

 

I may be missing something here but why do we need national publicity on this? These flags are for us, if visiting fans or people on TV like what they see then great, they'll tell their friends the atmosphere at st james' is fantastic. I really know know why the name is that important.

 

Despite my point, I also don't like the new name!

 

It's just people overthinking things and trying to make out it should be something it doesn't really need to be.

 

What it is, is a relatively small group of people organising displays which they ask other people to join on with once they're in their seats before kick off, whether that be holding up your own flag or banner, maybe one that's been left beside your seat, or passing one of the huge surfer flags over your head.

 

If they have any new displays planned whereby they need to raise money for materials they advertise through their social media pages and in the past the likes of NUFC.com and the Chronicle have also helped to publicise this.

 

As far as I am aware they don't want to turn it into a huge brand that gets Nationwide exposure which is one of the reasons they didn't want the club to get involved in an official capacity other than allowing them stadium access and storage space.

[wor jackie]

I'm sure I speak for the other lads and lasses in the fact that in no way are we personally looking for national exposure in fact the very opposite , we would if possible like to remain largely anonymous.

We would like our flags and displays to be covered nationally and hopefully internationally one day but purely just mentioned simply as Newcastle fans not any particular group. Not wanting to annoy anyone but all this talk of branding is ridiculous, we're not looking to sell masses of merchandise and make huge profits we just want to make flags! We're now painting banners and flags ourselves so the money needed is nowhere near what the large surfers and old shirts cost, for example the 'we are united' surfer cost £3200, the Rafa banner in Spanish cost £400 and  that includes 30 poles (£250) that can be used again thus reducing the cost of the next banner display significantly.

There is talk of producing badges and some prints etc to keep funds flowing and some of the lads in Block V have produced some scarves for fans who stand in this area to buy. Another quiz is being talked about aswell. I can assure you this will not 'fizzle out' as we all have a passion for it and have some ideas that if the club allow will be amazing. Yes we need donations to continue but I'll be amazed if fans say they love the displays but will not donate simply because the name of the group of lads and lasses who make the displays have a shit name !

Again we're totally transparent and are not a closed group and if any of you want to join in all this flag malarkey just get in touch, it's fun and you get to walk down the tunnel every time we go in!!

[geordie_b]

What about Leazes Flags, are they part of WF?

[wor jackie]

No mate, totally separate but we're helping with info on flag manufacturers, pole suppliers etc. Be brilliant if we can get both ends rocking.

[Away Day Gadgie]

I'm sure I speak for the other lads and lasses in the fact that in no way are we personally looking for national exposure in fact the very opposite , we would if possible like to remain largely anonymous.

We would like our flags and displays to be covered nationally and hopefully internationally one day but purely just mentioned simply as Newcastle fans not any particular group. Not wanting to annoy anyone but all this talk of branding is ridiculous, we're not looking to sell masses of merchandise and make huge profits we just want to make flags! We're now painting banners and flags ourselves so the money needed is nowhere near what the large surfers and old shirts cost, for example the 'we are united' surfer cost £3200, the Rafa banner in Spanish cost £400 and  that includes 30 poles (£250) that can be used again thus reducing the cost of the next banner display significantly.

There is talk of producing badges and some prints etc to keep funds flowing and some of the lads in Block V have produced some scarves for fans who stand in this area to buy. Another quiz is being talked about aswell. I can assure you this will not 'fizzle out' as we all have a passion for it and have some ideas that if the club allow will be amazing. Yes we need donations to continue but I'll be amazed if fans say they love the displays but will not donate simply because the name of the group of lads and lasses who make the displays have a s*** name !

Again we're totally transparent and are not a closed group and if any of you want to join in all this flag malarkey just get in touch, it's fun and you get to walk down the tunnel every time we go in!!

Fair do's mate, good post ?

[NEEJ]

I'm sure I speak for the other lads and lasses in the fact that in no way are we personally looking for national exposure in fact the very opposite , we would if possible like to remain largely anonymous.

We would like our flags and displays to be covered nationally and hopefully internationally one day but purely just mentioned simply as Newcastle fans not any particular group. Not wanting to annoy anyone but all this talk of branding is ridiculous, we're not looking to sell masses of merchandise and make huge profits we just want to make flags! We're now painting banners and flags ourselves so the money needed is nowhere near what the large surfers and old shirts cost, for example the 'we are united' surfer cost £3200, the Rafa banner in Spanish cost £400 and  that includes 30 poles (£250) that can be used again thus reducing the cost of the next banner display significantly.

There is talk of producing badges and some prints etc to keep funds flowing and some of the lads in Block V have produced some scarves for fans who stand in this area to buy. Another quiz is being talked about aswell. I can assure you this will not 'fizzle out' as we all have a passion for it and have some ideas that if the club allow will be amazing. Yes we need donations to continue but I'll be amazed if fans say they love the displays but will not donate simply because the name of the group of lads and lasses who make the displays have a s*** name !

Again we're totally transparent and are not a closed group and if any of you want to join in all this flag malarkey just get in touch, it's fun and you get to walk down the tunnel every time we go in!!

I salute you and the others involved, sir. Keep up the good work.

Echo the above sentiments regarding the name too, most people won't care about it and nor should they.