Infinitely Content Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I don't think Atsu is that effective like, but that's sort of the point. We need to replace Atsu with someone who can carry the ball forward and do something with it. Along with a proper AM and a striker obviously. Ritchie isn't infallible obviously but I think he's pretty far down the list of who we need to replace. Atsu is one of the last players we should be thinking about replacing tbh. He's doing absolutely fine he just needs genuine targets to aim for in the box which he doesn't have currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Absolutely fine? All he does is run quick Our squad is incredibly average with 2-3 good players imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Ritchie's assist rate is pretty much limited to set-pieces but there's a pretty clear improvement over him putting balls into the box compared to Atsu and Yedlin like. Atsu just isn't that great in the final 3rd. He's meant to be our direct winger, the one who has it in him to carve a side open, and he rarely ever does. Was decent in the first half today like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Absolutely fine? All he does is run quick Our squad is incredibly average with 2-3 good players imo. And he's one of them. Our only attacking threat at times, carries us up the pitch, holds onto possession, makes something of nothing with a good first touch, has a cracking shot on him as shown today. To say he just runs quick shows a lack of understanding tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Ritchie's assist rate is pretty much limited to set-pieces but there's a pretty clear improvement over him putting balls into the box compared to Atsu and Yedlin like. Atsu just isn't that great in the final 3rd. He's meant to be our direct winger, the one who has it in him to carve a side open, and he rarely ever does. Was decent in the first half today like. You're basically criticising him for not being able to do something that Ritchie isn't able to do either then? Also, his target in the box has been fucking Joselu most of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I'm saying Ritchie isn't tasked with running at defenders so I'm not going to judge him on that in the same way I will Atsu. This is like comparing Guttierrez with Obertan or something. Obertan was legitimately just shite where as Jonas was a fairly average player who formed a great partnership with Enrique due to his workrate and the understanding they had. Both were awful in the final 3rd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I'm saying Ritchie isn't tasked with running at defenders so I'm not going to judge him on that in the same way I will Atsu. This is like comparing Guttierrez with Obertan or something. Obertan was legitimately just shite where as Jonas was a fairly average player who formed a great partnership with Enrique due to his workrate and the understanding they had. Both were awful in the final 3rd. So what exactly do you judge Ritchie on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 He's our best set piece taker by a mile, his crossing is far better than anyone else in the squad in general when he gets into position, his link up play with Yedlin is pretty strong, he's one of the better passers we have in the squad, he works his bollocks off to help out in defence, he doesn't lose it cheaply. He's all around just a solid option on the right who fulfils the role of 'grafting winger' well enough. I don't think he's amazing. He carries out his role well enough though where as I don't think Atsu does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 He's our best set piece taker by a mile, his crossing is far better than anyone else in the squad in general when he gets into position, his link up play with Yedlin is pretty strong, he's one of the better passers we have in the squad, he works his bollocks off to help out in defence, he doesn't lose it cheaply. He's all around just a solid option on the right who fulfils the role of 'grafting winger' well enough. I don't think he's amazing. He carries out his role well enough though where as I don't think Atsu does. Atsu looks great. Untl he gets the ball under control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Atsu is a bit like Gutierrez: good work rate and athleticism, but impotent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Again he's the last of our problems. Dunno Striker and AM aside he's pretty far up the list, i have never understood the fanfare around him personally. He's basically a 2nd fullback and contributes fuck all going forward. Atsu aside he's just as irrelevant offensively as everybody else tbh, one thing i do like about him however is he doesn't treat the football like a grenade like most of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Never understood the fanfare For the most part last season he was really good and he contributed massively towards the end of the season when the team looked like we were going to hit a brick wall. He's not been as good as I hoped this season but I really don't think he plays like a 2nd full back and contributes f*** all going forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Again he's the last of our problems. Dunno Striker and AM aside he's pretty far up the list, i have never understood the fanfare around him personally. He's basically a 2nd fullback and contributes f*** all going forward. Atsu aside he's just as irrelevant offensively as everybody else tbh, one thing i do like about him however is he doesn't treat the football like a grenade like most of the team. Doesn't he have the most assists in our team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Again he's the last of our problems. Dunno Striker and AM aside he's pretty far up the list, i have never understood the fanfare around him personally. He's basically a 2nd fullback and contributes f*** all going forward. Atsu aside he's just as irrelevant offensively as everybody else tbh, one thing i do like about him however is he doesn't treat the football like a grenade like most of the team. Doesn't he have the most assists in our team? That will happen when you are a good set piece taker for a team that does fuck all outside of set pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 There’s probably 7 or 8 players in our squad that need replacing before Ritchie. A real leader on the pitch too, him organising the defence in the first half when Lascelles was down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Again he's the last of our problems. Dunno Striker and AM aside he's pretty far up the list, i have never understood the fanfare around him personally. He's basically a 2nd fullback and contributes f*** all going forward. Atsu aside he's just as irrelevant offensively as everybody else tbh, one thing i do like about him however is he doesn't treat the football like a grenade like most of the team. Doesn't he have the most assists in our team? That will happen when you are a good set piece taker for a team that does f*** all outside of set pieces. I can recall two of his crosses which led to goals in open play from the top of my head. He doesn't contribute "f*** all" going forward and we have much bigger problems than Matt Ritchie in our team, if you can call him a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 There’s probably 7 or 8 players in our squad that need replacing before Ritchie. A real leader on the pitch too, him organising the defence in the first half when Lascelles was down If you are happy with wingers who are good defenders who regularly go weeks without doing anything and then blaming Atsu when he has to do everything like everyone else seems to then sure. But i personally i don't like rewarding mediocrity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 There’s probably 7 or 8 players in our squad that need replacing before Ritchie. A real leader on the pitch too, him organising the defence in the first half when Lascelles was down If you are happy with wingers who are good defenders who regularly go weeks without doing anything and then blaming Atsu when he has to do everything like everyone else seems to then sure. But i personally i don't like rewarding mediocrity. Doesn’t Ritchie have the most assists in our team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 There’s probably 7 or 8 players in our squad that need replacing before Ritchie. A real leader on the pitch too, him organising the defence in the first half when Lascelles was down If you are happy with wingers who are good defenders who regularly go weeks without doing anything and then blaming Atsu when he has to do everything like everyone else seems to then sure. But i personally i don't like rewarding mediocrity. I wouldn't go as far as you in that I think Ritchie is very good on the ball when he gets the ball in good positions but I agree with you on Atsu. Its much harder to do what Atsu does than what Ritchie does when they get the ball on say the half way line. Atsu runs at them trying to drive the team forward and Ritchie just keeps the ball and hopes someone else gets it up the pitch. Now obviously its not his fault he doesn't have the pace to do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Again he's the last of our problems. Dunno Striker and AM aside he's pretty far up the list, i have never understood the fanfare around him personally. He's basically a 2nd fullback and contributes fuck all going forward. Atsu aside he's just as irrelevant offensively as everybody else tbh, one thing i do like about him however is he doesn't treat the football like a grenade like most of the team. I don't think we should discuss football tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I like Ritchie. Definitely one of our better players and least of our worries. Could've scored twice and had an assist today with a bit of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I like both him and Jonjo, but fucking hate when they try cute stuff at set pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 He is bang average, as is our entire midfield outside of Merino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 In open play he’s very very average. His ability from deadballs makes him one of our best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 In open play he’s very very average. His ability from deadballs makes him one of our best. I'm not saying he's great, but he's definitely one of the least of our worries at the moment. I mean, he's bang average from open play but still seems to be close to scoring or assisting every game. He's dangerous and he's good with set pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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