Hanshithispantz Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Will be interesting to see how Kane and Spurs as a whole get on against Real Madrid I don't think that's fair like, we can safely say Shearer is one of the greatest English strikers ever, perhaps the greatest, without him doing it against Madrid. Of course it's fair, it's the tournament which the greats are judged on and what places them above the rest. It's why Mbappe was getting insane hype, because he was toying with the best teams around. It's not even about Madrid, Spurs went out in the Group stage last year. Getting to the KO stages would be a start. I read Triggs post wrong tbh. For some reason read it as him putting massive emphasis on this one game which obviously he never did at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I doubt anyone will break Shearer's record, you are talking insane figures. Kane is arguably the best all round centre-forward at the moment though, ridiculously good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Thought Kane had passed the 100 pl goals mark tbh, was surprised to see his tally is actually just 84 to date. Some work to do to beat Shearer's record like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Kane could do it like, he's only 24 and Shearer's record is reduced as his 23 goals before the change to the Premiership aren't counted. I think given their respected ages Kane has a massive head start and there's no signs of him slowing down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Have to wait till he does it in the latter stages of the Champions League to say that I think him doing it against the English teams who regularly get the latter stages is a fair indication of what he's capable of against the non-English teams in the latter stages. What English teams regularly get to the latter stages? Here we go. All of them generally get beyond the group stages. If you're talking semi finals and the final, Spurs aren't getting there or competing enough for him to be able to prove anything. What do you mean "here we go"? Do you think the English teams over the last 5 years have been as good as Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern, Juve? That's what I'm talking about. The English look like they'll make a bit of a comeback in Europe this season however No I don't, but nor was that what you originally said or asked tbf. FWIW, I think it's a bit of an oddity to gauge your opinion on a player based the team they face beyond a certain point, when obviously it's a team sport. It's a bit 'Messi needs to win the world cup' for me once you get to that level, because no individual is going to overcome those teams without a team that can already compete with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I reckon Kane will do it, shows how insanely good Shearer was really considering 23 goals were before the Premier League started and also the big injuries he got Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Shearer's 260 works out on average of 20 goals a season over a 13 year period. That's what you are looking at, not only do you have to keep up that ridiculous scoring rate you have to do it for over a decade. Kane has a chance but it will be incredibly difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Have to wait till he does it in the latter stages of the Champions League to say that I think him doing it against the English teams who regularly get the latter stages is a fair indication of what he's capable of against the non-English teams in the latter stages. What English teams regularly get to the latter stages? Here we go. All of them generally get beyond the group stages. If you're talking semi finals and the final, Spurs aren't getting there or competing enough for him to be able to prove anything. What do you mean "here we go"? Do you think the English teams over the last 5 years have been as good as Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern, Juve? That's what I'm talking about. The English look like they'll make a bit of a comeback in Europe this season however No I don't, but nor was that what you originally said or asked tbf. FWIW, I think it's a bit of an oddity to gauge your opinion on a player based the team they face beyond a certain point, when obviously it's a team sport. It's a bit 'Messi needs to win the world cup' for me once you get to that level, because no individual is going to overcome those teams without a team that can already compete with them. It's not really that, just Kane until this season had done nothing in Europe's elite competition. It's completely fair to hold off on calling someone the best till they prove it against the best imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Have to wait till he does it in the latter stages of the Champions League to say that I think him doing it against the English teams who regularly get the latter stages is a fair indication of what he's capable of against the non-English teams in the latter stages. What English teams regularly get to the latter stages? Here we go. All of them generally get beyond the group stages. If you're talking semi finals and the final, Spurs aren't getting there or competing enough for him to be able to prove anything. What do you mean "here we go"? Do you think the English teams over the last 5 years have been as good as Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern, Juve? That's what I'm talking about. The English look like they'll make a bit of a comeback in Europe this season however No I don't, but nor was that what you originally said or asked tbf. FWIW, I think it's a bit of an oddity to gauge your opinion on a player based the team they face beyond a certain point, when obviously it's a team sport. It's a bit 'Messi needs to win the world cup' for me once you get to that level, because no individual is going to overcome those teams without a team that can already compete with them. Those five teams have been consistently in the latter stages of the Champions League in recent years. No English team has so no it's not the same as just doing it against the English teams in the PL up until this season anyway. That was my point. I think Spurs are capable of competing with any team in Europe and not getting embarrassed. A striker should of course be judged by what they do up against the best defenders when they won't get as much space or as many chances. It's common sense when you are talking about how to rate a player who you think is the best in the world in their position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I doubt anyone will break Shearer's record, you are talking insane figures. Kane is arguably the best all round centre-forward at the moment though, ridiculously good. Shearer's record isn't an insane figure anymore like. We're into the era of a goal a game strikers now and Kane could average 18 goals a season from now until 2027 and beat the record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Terrible that by Alli Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Such a prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 What a cunt Dele Alli is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 If he hits 100 goals by the end of this season, that gives him about 7-8 seasons assuming he stays fit & playing for an English club to score 160. Given it is has took him 3-4 seasons to be get to the hundred mark, albeit only like 3 seasons as a first team player, it's not a forgone conclusion. Massive task, definitely possible, but very very tough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I doubt anyone will break Shearer's record, you are talking insane figures. Kane is arguably the best all round centre-forward at the moment though, ridiculously good. Shearer's record isn't an insane figure anymore like. We're into the era of a goal a game strikers now and Kane could average 18 goals a season from now until 2027 and beat the record. Aye, 20 goals a season sounds big but he's hitting over that now. He got 29 last year. Every time he does that he can afford a season where he only hits 11, or 15, or whatever. I actually think it's statistically likely he breaks it if he stays majorly injury free and doesn't move abroad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Have to wait till he does it in the latter stages of the Champions League to say that I think him doing it against the English teams who regularly get the latter stages is a fair indication of what he's capable of against the non-English teams in the latter stages. What English teams regularly get to the latter stages? Here we go. All of them generally get beyond the group stages. If you're talking semi finals and the final, Spurs aren't getting there or competing enough for him to be able to prove anything. What do you mean "here we go"? Do you think the English teams over the last 5 years have been as good as Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern, Juve? That's what I'm talking about. The English look like they'll make a bit of a comeback in Europe this season however No I don't, but nor was that what you originally said or asked tbf. FWIW, I think it's a bit of an oddity to gauge your opinion on a player based the team they face beyond a certain point, when obviously it's a team sport. It's a bit 'Messi needs to win the world cup' for me once you get to that level, because no individual is going to overcome those teams without a team that can already compete with them. Those five teams have been consistently in the latter stages of the Champions League in recent years. No English team has so no it's not the same as just doing it against the English teams in the PL up until this season anyway. That was my point. I think Spurs are capable of competing with any team in Europe and not getting embarrassed. A striker should of course be judged by what they do up against the best defenders when they won't get as much space or as many chances. It's common sense when you are talking about how to rate a player who you think is the best in the world in their position Latter = beyond the group stages to me, but fair enough I've read it wrong. My point about gauging him is how I'll leave it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 If he can score another 21 this season and 26 a season for the next 6 season's, I think he'll probably do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Remember when Jamie Redknapp was being called a racist for having the gall to suggest Harry Kane was the most complete striker in the league? No. I really don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 If he hits 100 goals by the end of this season, that gives him about 7-8 seasons assuming he stays fit & playing for an English club to score 160. Given it is has took him 3-4 seasons to be get to the hundred mark, albeit only like 3 seasons as a first team player, it's not a forgone conclusion. Massive task, definitely possible, but very very tough. I think realistically you can give him more than 7-8 seasons mind. We don't know how he will age but him playing until he's 35 is definitely possible. 10-11 seasons after this one. Doubt he'll be hitting 20 a season by that point (although Ibra makes it seem possible) but he won't need to if he carries on as he is for the next 5-6 year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Remember when Jamie Redknapp was being called a racist for having the gall to suggest Harry Kane was the most complete striker in the league? No. I really don't. Your memory must be pretty bad then as it only happened last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Have to wait till he does it in the latter stages of the Champions League to say that I think him doing it against the English teams who regularly get the latter stages is a fair indication of what he's capable of against the non-English teams in the latter stages. What English teams regularly get to the latter stages? Here we go. All of them generally get beyond the group stages. If you're talking semi finals and the final, Spurs aren't getting there or competing enough for him to be able to prove anything. What do you mean "here we go"? Do you think the English teams over the last 5 years have been as good as Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern, Juve? That's what I'm talking about. The English look like they'll make a bit of a comeback in Europe this season however No I don't, but nor was that what you originally said or asked tbf. FWIW, I think it's a bit of an oddity to gauge your opinion on a player based the team they face beyond a certain point, when obviously it's a team sport. It's a bit 'Messi needs to win the world cup' for me once you get to that level, because no individual is going to overcome those teams without a team that can already compete with them. Those five teams have been consistently in the latter stages of the Champions League in recent years. No English team has so no it's not the same as just doing it against the English teams in the PL up until this season anyway. That was my point. I think Spurs are capable of competing with any team in Europe and not getting embarrassed. A striker should of course be judged by what they do up against the best defenders when they won't get as much space or as many chances. It's common sense when you are talking about how to rate a player who you think is the best in the world in their position Latter = beyond the group stages to me, but fair enough I've read it wrong. My point about gauging him is how I'll leave it. Sorry but your point about gauging him is completely ridiculous. If someone is supposed to be the very best in their position in the world they simply have to prove that against top opposition consistently. Loads of strikers score loads of goals against average and poor sides. How can you say he's better than Cavani, Higuain, Aguero, Suarez, Lewandowski without proving it against the best? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 If he hits 100 goals by the end of this season, that gives him about 7-8 seasons assuming he stays fit & playing for an English club to score 160. Given it is has took him 3-4 seasons to be get to the hundred mark, albeit only like 3 seasons as a first team player, it's not a forgone conclusion. Massive task, definitely possible, but very very tough. I think realistically you can give him more than 7-8 seasons mind. We don't know how he will age but him playing until he's 35 is definitely possible. 10-11 seasons after this one. Doubt he'll be hitting 20 a season by that point (although Ibra makes it seem possible) but he won't need to if he carries on as he is for the next 5-6 year. I guess that's part of the question with Kane, is he Ibrahimovic good or is he Rooney good. Which is basically a question of how hungry will he be into the latter stages of career. Rooney seemed to lose it where as someone like Ibra kept that youthful desire and hunger to score. Messi, Ronaldo & perhaps Robben/Ribery fall into that category too - where age doesn't seem to factor into their ability to succeed. To be fair to Kane though, his attitude and fitness seem spot on - but at the same time if his head is turned by one of the big clubs - even if just for a few seasons - his chance at the record will be gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Have to wait till he does it in the latter stages of the Champions League to say that I think him doing it against the English teams who regularly get the latter stages is a fair indication of what he's capable of against the non-English teams in the latter stages. What English teams regularly get to the latter stages? Here we go. All of them generally get beyond the group stages. If you're talking semi finals and the final, Spurs aren't getting there or competing enough for him to be able to prove anything. What do you mean "here we go"? Do you think the English teams over the last 5 years have been as good as Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern, Juve? That's what I'm talking about. The English look like they'll make a bit of a comeback in Europe this season however No I don't, but nor was that what you originally said or asked tbf. FWIW, I think it's a bit of an oddity to gauge your opinion on a player based the team they face beyond a certain point, when obviously it's a team sport. It's a bit 'Messi needs to win the world cup' for me once you get to that level, because no individual is going to overcome those teams without a team that can already compete with them. It's not really that, just Kane until this season had done nothing in Europe's elite competition. It's completely fair to hold off on calling someone the best till they prove it against the best imo. Yeah, but that's part of the point. He hasn't really had the opportunities. He was injured last year but scored two goals in three games. You would see it crop up in Redcafe/Arsemania/RAWK conversations about Kane - "He can't do it in the CL". He never had the chance. This year he has five in two, and the narrative is now "he has to do it against the big teams in the latter stages". It's just amusing, really. I'm not going to say he's the best in the world, but equally he hadn't "done nothing" until this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I wouldn't say England have made it to the latter stages of a tournament since 1996, and they often get out the group stages. Suppose the quarters might scrape into the latter category Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Said it before, over a 38 game season i'd have Kane over any striker in the PL and must be top 5 in the world. Beyond the PL who are the top strikers if we don't include Mess/Ronaldo? Suarez, Benzema, Costa, Griezmann, Cavani, Lewandowski, Aubameyang. Maybe some lads in Italy? DI'll have Kane over all of them in Spain except Suarez to be the leading goalscorer in a team. Don't watch must German football but feel like i've seen loads of Cavani over the years and i'd slightly rather Kane. Although I find Cavani more exciting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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