Shearergol Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 No I mean it literally doesn't matter. The rules are simple: http://i.imgur.com/WOPdVPc.png That's not what he meant though, if I'm reading things correctly. Shearergol is saying that if the pen is put wide or in the back of the net, it doesn't matter if there is an encroachment. If we scored as we did, Gayles encroachment should have meant a retake. If Ritchie had missed but a Burton player had encroached then it should have been retaken, if Ritchie had scored when a Burton player had encroached it should have stood. Players from both teams encroaching means a retake. The rules are understood. What I mean is Gayle's encroachment had no impact on the penalty. Had the penalty been saved and Gayle scored the rebound, that in my opinion is when the rule should be applied. I'm not doubting what the rule is, I'm stating what I think it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Love how there is more Burton players encroaching than Newcastle Encroaching should only come into play if there's a rebound. Why does it even matter if a defender is in the box if the player scores or puts it wide? It doesn't. Doesn't it? So defenders are allowed to do it??? Effectively yeah. If the goal is scored, the defenders' actions are rendered meaningless by the rule above. Think I've just misinterpreted your point tbh. Spot on Dave, the defenders action are indeed rendered meaningless if the goal is scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 The rules are understood. What I mean is Gayle's encroachment had no impact on the penalty. Had the penalty been saved and Gayle scored the rebound, that in my opinion is when the rule should be applied. I'm not doubting what the rule is, I'm stating what I think it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I thought Atsu was massively disappointing tonight. He looks like he should have it all but rarely delivers. So frustrating to watch. Ritchie on the other hand. What a bloody goal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Love how there is more Burton players encroaching than Newcastle Encroaching should only come into play if there's a rebound. Why does it even matter if a defender is in the box if the player scores or puts it wide? It doesn't. Doesn't it? So defenders are allowed to do it??? Effectively yeah. If the goal is scored, the defenders' actions are rendered meaningless by the rule above. Think I've just misinterpreted your point tbh. Spot on Dave, the defenders action are indeed rendered meaningless if the goal is scored. It's a simple extension of playing advantage. But we're going off track here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Love how there is more Burton players encroaching than Newcastle Encroaching should only come into play if there's a rebound. Why does it even matter if a defender is in the box if the player scores or puts it wide? It doesn't. Doesn't it? So defenders are allowed to do it??? Effectively yeah. If the goal is scored, the defenders' actions are rendered meaningless by the rule above. Think I've just misinterpreted your point tbh. Spot on Dave, the defenders action are indeed rendered meaningless if the goal is scored. I get that much. I'll give up now before it clouds the real debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 No I mean it literally doesn't matter. The rules are simple: http://i.imgur.com/WOPdVPc.png That's not what he meant though, if I'm reading things correctly. Shearergol is saying that if the pen is put wide or in the back of the net, it doesn't matter if there is an encroachment. If we scored as we did, Gayles encroachment should have meant a retake. If Ritchie had missed but a Burton player had encroached then it should have been retaken, if Ritchie had scored when a Burton player had encroached it should have stood. Players from both teams encroaching means a retake. The rules are understood. What I mean is Gayle's encroachment had no impact on the penalty. Had the penalty been saved and Gayle scored the rebound, that in my opinion is when the rule should be applied. I'm not doubting what the rule is, I'm stating what I think it should be. I know what you mean to be fair but personally i actually agree with this rule, or players will bomb in the box all the time before the ball is struck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 No I mean it literally doesn't matter. The rules are simple: http://i.imgur.com/WOPdVPc.png That's not what he meant though, if I'm reading things correctly. Shearergol is saying that if the pen is put wide or in the back of the net, it doesn't matter if there is an encroachment. If we scored as we did, Gayles encroachment should have meant a retake. If Ritchie had missed but a Burton player had encroached then it should have been retaken, if Ritchie had scored when a Burton player had encroached it should have stood. Players from both teams encroaching means a retake. The rules are understood. What I mean is Gayle's encroachment had no impact on the penalty. Had the penalty been saved and Gayle scored the rebound, that in my opinion is when the rule should be applied. I'm not doubting what the rule is, I'm stating what I think it should be. I know what you mean to be fair but personally i actually agree with this rule, or players will bomb in the box all the time before the ball is struck. Which wouldn't matter unless the ball rebounds. Suppose it might put the keeper or taker off though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Anyway, watching those highlights we definitely should have been more comfortable. The pen obvs, but Perez missed a sitter and Diame should have done a bit better with an effort. Shelvey whacked a couple over too. And that volley over for them was way harder than they made out on the coverage at the time. Would have been a stunning goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest reefatoon Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Yeah, we picked it up over the last 25 mins, but we only tested their keeper once in the first hour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Anyway, watching those highlights we definitely should have been more comfortable. The pen obvs, but Perez missed a sitter and Diame should have done a bit better with an effort. Shelvey whacked a couple over too. And that volley over for them was way harder than they made out on the coverage at the time. Would have been a stunning goal. Didn't even show that first pen incident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 No I mean it literally doesn't matter. The rules are simple: http://i.imgur.com/WOPdVPc.png That's not what he meant though, if I'm reading things correctly. Shearergol is saying that if the pen is put wide or in the back of the net, it doesn't matter if there is an encroachment. If we scored as we did, Gayles encroachment should have meant a retake. If Ritchie had missed but a Burton player had encroached then it should have been retaken, if Ritchie had scored when a Burton player had encroached it should have stood. Players from both teams encroaching means a retake. The rules are understood. What I mean is Gayle's encroachment had no impact on the penalty. Had the penalty been saved and Gayle scored the rebound, that in my opinion is when the rule should be applied. I'm not doubting what the rule is, I'm stating what I think it should be. I know what you mean to be fair but personally i actually agree with this rule, or players will bomb in the box all the time before the ball is struck. Which wouldn't matter unless the ball rebounds. Suppose it might put the keeper or taker off though. I can understand that bit as well, it seems ok in practice but just wouldn't look or seem right imo. I think it's one of the more sensible rules actually, and funnily enough one of the few they can't feck around with. Hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 The weirdest thing I've ever seen. Obviously you didn't see Rob Lee's 70-yard left footer Vs Brentford that was disallowed so we could have a free kick for offside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Anyway, watching those highlights we definitely should have been more comfortable. The pen obvs, but Perez missed a sitter and Diame should have done a bit better with an effort. Shelvey whacked a couple over too. And that volley over for them was way harder than they made out on the coverage at the time. Would have been a stunning goal. Didn't even show that first pen incident. Thought he got the ball tbf. Nee idea how a corner wasn't given like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 The weirdest thing I've ever seen. Obviously you didn't see Rob Lee's 70-yard left footer Vs Brentford that was disallowed so we could have a free kick for offside? Yep, that was just as frustrating and baffling. Poor Rob Lee, it was a peach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 http://i.imgur.com/t2EUuts.png Source: FIFA That doesn't make sense. If an attacking player encroaches, surely the outcome should be the same whether the penalty is scored, or not. Depends when the ref stops play. It does make sense. You're absolutely right, my apologies. The high pollen count is messing with my brain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 The weirdest thing I've ever seen. Obviously you didn't see Rob Lee's 70-yard left footer Vs Brentford that was disallowed so we could have a free kick for offside? Certainly didn't! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Missed all of this. To recap, correct me if I'm wrong, we won but the level of N-O bitchin' n' moanin' reached critical mass at some point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Missed all of this. To recap, correct me if I'm wrong, we won but the level of N-O bitchin' n' moanin' reached critical mass at some point? The ref made the worst mistake I have ever seen basically. He didn't know the rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Missed all of this. To recap, correct me if I'm wrong, we won but the level of N-O bitchin' n' moanin' reached critical mass at some point? The ref made the worst mistake I have ever seen basically. He didn't know the rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Just back in.thank fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Christ, just realized that we've won back to back home league games for the first time since the Vietnam war started or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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