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Trewicks tash

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This is one of the reasons I don't like loan deals. £20m probably would get him and £5m gets Dubravka but we're spending a huge chuck of our transfer budget just to have the same team we had at the end of last season.

You cannot say they have not improved us since january so having both from the start of the season for 25m is a big plus

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Wallsendmag

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Soz, deleted that since I was being a nob :lol:

 

In that sense you're right, just after we've had really successful loan signings seems not the best time to make the argument.

 

Done well with Dubravka and Kenedy, not so with Slimani. Hopefully the two who did well will be back here permanently although I'm not hopeful about Kenedy.

 

I'm just not a big fan of the whole loan system tbh. Clubs who tend to rely on it a bit too much, as Sunderland did, can find themselves in a lot of trouble with it and clubs like Chelsea can stockpile young talent knowing they can just lend them out to desperate clubs such as ourselves.

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mrmojorisin75

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This is one of the reasons I don't like loan deals. £20m probably would get him and £5m gets Dubravka but we're spending a huge chuck of our transfer budget just to have the same team we had at the end of last season.

 

This is weird logic.

 

Nothing weird about it. We need to spend £25m to have the same team we had at the back end of last season. That's nothing to do with logic it's just a fact. For a club who will have a transfer budget on the wrong side of £50m it's a huge chunk of money we need to spend to have the same team as we had for the last 4 months of last season.

 

So you would rather have had a worse team last season?

 

No I'd rather we stopped relying on the loan system and actually spend money on buying players that are ours to keep.

 

well yeah, but that's a very glass half empty scenario as well

 

looking at it the other way let's say we sign those two for £25m and then loan another couple this summer with options to buy in 2019 we then have a chunk of our budget still available and the squad improving

 

we'd all prefer not to do things the mike ashley way but we're stuck with it, the problem isn't loans in themselves it's not not insisting on buy clauses when the player turns out to be as good a fit as kenedy and dubs have been

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The Kenedy loan was 100% the right thing to do, option-to-buy or not. Who's to say Chelsea would have agreed the loan if we insisted on buying him too? Do we cut our nose off to spite our face?

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Geordie Ahmed

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Not a fan of the loan system whereby Chelsea can just stockpile players, something should be done about that BUT it worked out really well for us last season (or rather from January).

 

In an ideal world you buy the players you need however with our owner we know that isn't likely so using the loan market can help massively, it's something I expect us to use again BUT in the summer rather than in January.

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mrmojorisin75

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The Kenedy loan was 100% the right thing to do, option-to-buy or not. Who's to say Chelsea would have agreed the loan if we insisted on buying him too? Do we cut our nose off to spite our face?

 

ah no in that instance it absolutely was, as was the slimani one, given the club refused to spend money

 

if we weren't ran by utter shithouses there's nothing wrong with using the loan system to your financial and playing advantage...loan 2 players a summer with options to buy a year later if you can get them

 

sunderland are a bad example imo as they loaned way too many players to prop up their squad

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This is one of the reasons I don't like loan deals. £20m probably would get him and £5m gets Dubravka but we're spending a huge chuck of our transfer budget just to have the same team we had at the end of last season.

 

This is weird logic.

 

Nothing weird about it. We need to spend £25m to have the same team we had at the back end of last season. That's nothing to do with logic it's just a fact. For a club who will have a transfer budget on the wrong side of £50m it's a huge chunk of money we need to spend to have the same team as we had for the last 4 months of last season.

 

Our form from Feb until the end of the season was better than the position we ended up in, wasn't it? So if we manage to secure the two players that had us on a form that through a whole season would see us in 8th(?) then that is a good investment, non?

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They need to stop buy-back fees being inserted into deals too - they're starting to get popular.

 

It's not much different to a minimum release clause really, but with first option to the selling club and no requirement to sell if another club offers it. Don't see a problem with that.

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Ketsbaia

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They need to stop buy-back fees being inserted into deals too - they're starting to get popular.

 

It's not much different to a minimum release clause really, but with first option to the selling club and no requirement to sell if another club offers it. Don't see a problem with that.

 

I just think it encourages stock-piling, like loaning out youngsters. Sweep up all the promising talent, loan them out for a bit, sell to a mid-table team but with a buy-back so that team can never really make a sustained challenge.

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STM

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Classic Chronicle clickbait. He does say those words, just not in that order.

 

I hate to say this but Ryder does seem to have an inside track on our deals and has been making hints about another deal in the pipeline. There is a fair chance of us getting him IMO.

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Classic Chronicle clickbait. He does say those words, just not in that order.

 

I hate to say this but Ryder does seem to have an inside track on our deals and has been making hints about another deal in the pipeline. There is a fair chance of us getting him IMO.

 

Ryder is the club mouth piece, there's no doubt about that. What is in doubt is if the club feed him the truth as we know, in it has been proven at tribunal, that they deliberately lie and mislead the fans.

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Odear

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Going to be announced as a season long loan with a permanent deal to follow after the season.

 

Excellent piece of business if true.

 

Rafa obviously is keeping all of his major funds available for a forward or two this summer.

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Frees up money for this season, but knowing the club they will say we have to keep that money for his fee and wages next season. Would love us to sign him permanently, a full season under Rafa will improve him a lot.

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It’s on a few newsnow articles. Nothing official as yet but they seem to think it’s all agreed.

 

Am delighted if we got him back. Makes total sense the deal, plus he’d have less time left on his Chelsea contract so maybe the fee won’t be totally over the top.

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