Other clubs' transfers

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Nucasol said:

Exactly. Spurs sat in FFP breathing room from the Kane sale and freeing Lloris off the books. They’ve got that headway to make deals whereas half the PL have to wait for the accounts to tick over to the next year.

Spurs like Liverpool - work to real-world accounting standards not just the FFP accounting standards. You would think that would lower their spending power.

[SUPERTOON]

22 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Is it what we are doing? 

No, we have pretty much reached our ffp limit, they have spent as much as they can to this point. Can’t criticise them over the backing they have given Howe so far imo.

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

No, we have pretty much reached our ffp limit, they have spent as much as they can to this point. Can’t criticise them over the backing they have given Howe so far imo.

Im not critiquing anything, what I said is more of a statement. 
 

Personally I’d prefer we do nothing rather than get in short term fixes at some expense. 

[TRon]

14 hours ago, leffe186 said:

 

He’s out of the German side with a home Euros coming up, which he’s desperate to play in and so needs games. Supposedly Ange convinced him and thinks he’ll play a big part. The podcast talks about a couple of reasons why his game might suit Ange. It also suggested that there weren’t really any suitable teams in Germany that might have taken him on.

 

From Leipzig’s POV presumably they can get a high earner off the books who’s not really part of their plans, and they don’t feel they can get a good fee from anywhere. From our POV it‘s a bit of a no-brainer - he seems to fit the system, is experienced and direct, and if nothing else he can cover for Son over the next few weeks.

 

I could see that tbh, at that price it's probably worth a punt. But a forward lives or dies by his goals at the end of the day, will be interesting to see how that pans out. Fair play to Ange for backing his own judgement though.

[timeEd32]

31 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Im not critiquing anything, what I said is more of a statement. 
 

Personally I’d prefer we do nothing rather than get in short term fixes at some expense. 

Maybe you didn’t mean it this way, but “sitting on our hands” makes it sound like we’re not trying. 

[r0cafella]

17 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

Maybe you didn’t mean it this way, but “sitting on our hands” makes it sound like we’re not trying. 

To be frank, and I know this isn’t a popular take but we aren’t really are we? Again, from the media takes we are getting we are actively sitting on our hands waiting for nearer the end of the window to maybe hopefully get a loan for a player who hasn’t played much in the last two years. 
 

Please do correct me if I’m wrong but we don’t appear to be in a hurry. Make of that what you will. 

[LFEE]

10 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

To be frank, and I know this isn’t a popular take but we aren’t really are we? Again, from the media takes we are getting we are actively sitting on our hands waiting for nearer the end of the window to maybe hopefully get a loan for a player who hasn’t played much in the last two years. 
 

Please do correct me if I’m wrong but we don’t appear to be in a hurry. Make of that what you will. 

Yeah but like others have said (and you even seem to acknowledge at one point) we aren’t in a position to dictate the speed of our business.

 

Let’s assume for argument sake EH is only wanting to add KP. Man City have set the parameters of the deal allegedly (£7m loan fee) and we can’t meet them so trying to negotiate the price down. Meanwhile Man City have the whole window to find someone able to meet their demands and if not they know they can come back to us last few days of the window or just decide to keep him as no real skin off their nose either way FFP wise this window.

 

What are you realistically expecting us to do in that scenario?

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Yeah but like others have said (and you even seem to acknowledge at one point) we aren’t in a position to dictate the speed of our business.

 

Let’s assume for argument sake EH is only wanting to add KP. Man City have set the parameters of the deal allegedly (£7m loan fee) and we can’t meet them so trying to negotiate the price down. Meanwhile Man City have the whole window to find someone able to meet their demands and if not they know they can come back to us last few days of the window or just decide to keep him as no real skin off their nose either way FFP wise this window.

 

What are you realistically expecting us to do in that scenario?

I don’t have any expectations, we’ve made in our bed in the summer and now are being dictated to. 
 

we can’t rewind the clock and hindsight is 20/20. 
 

although, I must admit if everyone agrees we’ve what I’ve said I’m not sure what we are debating?

[timeEd32]

I don't agree with what you said. I think we are putting every penny we can into action. Without trying to go through all the details of revenue and spending, I think you can get a good picture of where we sit with FFP just by how we structured the Hall move. Add that to the fact we made basically the bare minimum in the Champions League and we're on course for less PL money than last season (which we probably expected). There just won't be a lot there.

 

If your problem is with how we spent our money in the summer then fair enough. But that's not the same thing as "sitting on our hands." 

[The College Dropout]

I think we do have FFP wriggle room, but it's precisely a little wriggle room. If we use it now, we won't be able to flex in the summer.

 

They don't seem to consider RW an urgent priority like I do. Besides that nothing requires an immediate upgrade with the possible exception of DM depending on Howe's tactical plan. Kalvin Phillips turns 29 this year - we should not sign him permanently, and any option (not period) should be a cut-price deal under £25m IMO. City won't go for that now so yes we are sitting on our hands and watching the market for opportunities.

 

I think a loan and an option for Ramsdale would be good and all but these are not worth permanently signing.

 

With Arsenal out the FA Cup, there's a good chance Ramsdale won't start another game this season. He's not even the CL goalie.

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

I don’t have any expectations, we’ve made in our bed in the summer and now are being dictated to. 
 

we can’t rewind the clock and hindsight is 20/20. 
 

although, I must admit if everyone agrees we’ve what I’ve said I’m not sure what we are debating?

You stating that we are sitting on our hands as if we aren’t doing anything. Like you say in one hand you’ve probably agreed that was not what you intended to say but in other you are still ?

[joeyt]

 

 

These type of deals seem to be getting more common the last few years, teams sending out players on loan but extending their contract at the same time 

 

 

 

[leffe186]

Just now, joeyt said:

 

 

These type of deals seem to be getting more common the last few years, teams sending out players on loan but extending their contract at the same time 

 

 

 

Wonder if that helps their FFP a little.

Without FFP I’d presume Arsenal would be paying 80-100M for a striker about now.

[Stottie]

Do Arse have FFP problems after buying a 100M player? Oh, the injustice of it.

 

No players in for us and its already January 10th. When is the "Acceptable or not?" poll scheduled for? 

[Fezzle]

49 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

Wonder if that helps their FFP a little.

Without FFP I’d presume Arsenal would be paying 80-100M for a striker about now.

He was only bought for £100k or so, cant imagine it makes any difference there, except hes in a bigger market for a future transfer now assuming he plays

[leffe186]

1 hour ago, Stottie said:

Do Arse have FFP problems after buying a 100M player? Oh, the injustice of it.…

Well that’s my point . It is just.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

You stating that we are sitting on our hands as if we aren’t doing anything. Like you say in one hand you’ve probably agreed that was not what you intended to say but in other you are still ?

It's similar language to the club. "Wait and see". "We'll react to the market".

 

We are not being proactive in our search for players in this window. At least not until the end. That's the message and it's akin to "sit on our hands" IMO.

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

 

 

These type of deals seem to be getting more common the last few years, teams sending out players on loan but extending their contract at the same time 

 

 

 

Chelsea have been doing this for ages. Kenedy only left in 2022 because of it. They don't let non-first teamers run down their contracts. 

[leffe186]

19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It's similar language to the club. "Wait and see". "We'll react to the market".

 

We are not being proactive in our search for players in this window. At least not until the end. That's the message and it's akin to "sit on our hands" IMO.

Chelsea have been doing this for ages. Kenedy only left in 2022 because of it. They don't let non-first teamers run down their contracts. 

I do wonder if they can continue to do so if they’re out of the CL for a while. They’re still generating a ton from their youth set-up though.

[alexf]

Have to admit I'm abit frustrated at Spurs emergence this year. I really thought after the awful end to the season last year and with Kane leaving we wouldn't have to worry about them. 

 

But, and I know they had a massive head start in finances and many years finishing top 6. But they are in a far stronger position that us now in terms of squad depth and quality and I think it's gonna be frustrating trying to break back in next year with the likes of them, Villa now and probably improving Chelsea. All while we will continually have to spend less than them due to FFP.

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, alexf said:

Have to admit I'm abit frustrated at Spurs emergence this year. I really thought after the awful end to the season last year and with Kane leaving we wouldn't have to worry about them. 

 

But, and I know they had a massive head start in finances and many years finishing top 6. But they are in a far stronger position that us now in terms of squad depth and quality and I think it's gonna be frustrating trying to break back in next year with the likes of them, Villa now and probably improving Chelsea. All while we will continually have to spend less than them due to FFP.

 

A quality right winger and left back and were giving everyone a run for their money next season.

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, alexf said:

Have to admit I'm abit frustrated at Spurs emergence this year. I really thought after the awful end to the season last year and with Kane leaving we wouldn't have to worry about them. 

 

But, and I know they had a massive head start in finances and many years finishing top 6. But they are in a far stronger position that us now in terms of squad depth and quality and I think it's gonna be frustrating trying to break back in next year with the likes of them, Villa now and probably improving Chelsea. All while we will continually have to spend less than them due to FFP.

Lots of people on the forum did. I always thought it was naive thinking.

 

Levy remains a shrewd operator.

 

In terms of the actual team and manager, we'll understand their level better once they are back in the CL. Likewise with Villa.

 

If the top 6 turns into more of a top 8. The teams in 7th & 8th will have a big advantage going into the next season either not being in Europe or competing in the Conference League. Chelsea are fumbling their opportunity but Villa & Spurs are taking theirs. Liverpool not being in the CL has helped them too.

 

 

Edited January 10, 2024 by The College Dropout

[joeyt]

Brentford linked with Renan Lodi.

 

We were linked a lot before getting Targett permanently and thought he looked decent for Forest last year. Only 25 too 

[BShearer]

I agree on Spurs, I also thought they will be  rotten shit without Kane. Simply the few summer transfer shook them up well, and the new manager imo is really great on bringing in a good mentality which is what they needed after the Conte period who blamed players quite often even fucked off while they were actually 3rd place so very much in fight for CL places. he kind of forced his axe with the behaviour.

 

big lesson is money needs to be spent well, even 1 signing thats fits like a glove can mean a lot. unfortunately our window did not really pay off due to Barnes injury and Tonali cluster fuck situation. Hall hardly playing, and Livramento is good and young but pretty much  squad player rather than an influential starter.

 

going forward will be brutally hard as I dont expect Man Utd and Chelsea to underperform so much for much longer. sooner or later they throw enough money at it and they will be much better than now.

also dont expect Pool, City, Arsenal to suddenly being much worse, maybe one odd season in 5 or something, but not regularly.

 

 

I still think Villa is overrated and running very hot, expect them to suffer a lot once they have the Thursday games in Conference League kicking off, I think they wont make top5.

 

still hard to see we would be able to compete for same transfer targets like Arse, Man Utd, Chelsea...

so we need to be shrewd, and hit it home with transfers, no flops on big money, clear the deadwood properly, work out the financial side/sponsors properly,

 

Chelsea and Man Utd show you can spend 200m or 300m a year and still end up with 3-4 flops, high spend is no guarantee.

 

[leffe186]

30 minutes ago, BShearer said:

I agree on Spurs, I also thought they will be  rotten shit without Kane. Simply the few summer transfer shook them up well, and the new manager imo is really great on bringing in a good mentality which is what they needed after the Conte period who blamed players quite often even fucked off while they were actually 3rd place so very much in fight for CL places. he kind of forced his axe with the behaviour.

 

big lesson is money needs to be spent well, even 1 signing thats fits like a glove can mean a lot. unfortunately our window did not really pay off due to Barnes injury and Tonali cluster fuck situation. Hall hardly playing, and Livramento is good and young but pretty much  squad player rather than an influential starter.

 

going forward will be brutally hard as I dont expect Man Utd and Chelsea to underperform so much for much longer. sooner or later they throw enough money at it and they will be much better than now.

also dont expect Pool, City, Arsenal to suddenly being much worse, maybe one odd season in 5 or something, but not regularly.

 

 

I still think Villa is overrated and running very hot, expect them to suffer a lot once they have the Thursday games in Conference League kicking off, I think they wont make top5.

 

still hard to see we would be able to compete for same transfer targets like Arse, Man Utd, Chelsea...

so we need to be shrewd, and hit it home with transfers, no flops on big money, clear the deadwood properly, work out the financial side/sponsors properly,

 

Chelsea and Man Utd show you can spend 200m or 300m a year and still end up with 3-4 flops, high spend is no guarantee.

 

Yeah I just posted something in the Transfers thread about this. I think you’re going about it the right way. You need to clear the deadwood, keep making solid buys (I actually thought Livramento was a terrific deal at the time and still do) and just keep building. I think the money will come. 
 

You’ve been run by a selfish idiot for years and are turning things round. Matchday income will improve to an extent, commercial deals will improve etc. One reason FFP covers five years is to smooth things out and ensure that one great year or one bad year shouldn’t blow things up.

 

It’s hard to compete with Arsenal, Chelsea etc for transfer targets but they’ve just had their massive splurge and will now have to cut their costs accordingly. 
 

For the last 20 years I’ve been annoyed that Man U, Man City and Chelsea (in particular) can fuck up but then throw money at a problem and it goes away. I’m not sure that’s going to be so easy going forward. Too many clubs are run too well right now and the depth of the PL TV money is improving parity somewhat. Not as much as I’d like, but better than it used to be.

[Dokko]

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