Other clubs' transfers

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[Rich]

Unai knas.

[nufc123]

Unai getting that Villa team ready for Cl and rotation options. Smart.

[madras]

6 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

Unai getting that Villa team ready for Cl and rotation options. Smart.

Can he rotate that fixed size squad if say 6,7 or more first teamers are out ?

[wormy]

Kudos to Barkley. What a comeback. Could be a great value rotation option for them. 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2024 by wormy

[nufc123]

2 minutes ago, madras said:

Can he rotate that fixed size squad if say 6,7 or more first teamers are out ?

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[The College Dropout]

Who do Villa think is buying Diego Carlos and taking on his wages? I hope Saudi stay away.

 

The one thing I don't understand about Villa's strategy is they have signed a good few older players (Digne, Moreno, Carlos) and then a few high wage free transfers. They will be hard to shift.

 

They do have a good academy they can continue to flog. But that's short-term thinking.

 

I've just checked and their average age is a lot younger than ours so I'm probably wrong somewhere. Must be the Pope/Dubs, Trippier, Schar, Burn, Wilson, Dummett, Ritchie.

 

The core of the side is a great age mind. It's really only Schar (not counting Pope as old for a GK) that doesn't have a younger model ready-made to replace him.

[joeyt]

Completely blanked out that Barkley used to play for villa

[Emotic]

5 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Completely blanked out that Barkley used to play for villa

Most people completely blank out his entire career between Everton and Luton, tbf.

[timeEd32]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Who do Villa think is buying Diego Carlos and taking on his wages? I hope Saudi stay away.

 

The one thing I don't understand about Villa's strategy is they have signed a good few older players (Digne, Moreno, Carlos) and then a few high wage free transfers. They will be hard to shift.

 

They do have a good academy they can continue to flog. But that's short-term thinking.

 

I've just checked and their average age is a lot younger than ours so I'm probably wrong somewhere. Must be the Pope/Dubs, Trippier, Schar, Burn, Wilson, Dummett, Ritchie.

 

The core of the side is a great age mind. It's really only Schar (not counting Pope as old for a GK) that doesn't have a younger model ready-made to replace him.

 

I don't think the average age of the squad matters so much when it's mostly being inflated by players we don't want anymore and a few defenders / GKs. We obviously need a stronger pipeline of young players, but we're getting there.

 

Similar to what you're getting at I continue to feel like Villa is walking a tightrope (very well so far, of course). It could all work spectacularly, but it feels to me it could as easily go south.

[brummie]

3 hours ago, Jack27 said:

 

 

 

I really hope this is true.

 

What an astute signing. We're going to have to work with FFP and he's exactly the sort of player Unai improves hugely.

 

He tailed off for us but watching (on telly, bad Covid season) him and Grealish rip Arsenal a new one at the Emirates was marvellous stuff.

 

Would add squad depth, I hope it happens.

[cubaricho]

So funny the different reaction to Barkley from us and from wor Brummie.  

 

 

Edited May 20, 2024 by cubaricho

[brummie]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Who do Villa think is buying Diego Carlos and taking on his wages? I hope Saudi stay away.

 

The one thing I don't understand about Villa's strategy is they have signed a good few older players (Digne, Moreno, Carlos) and then a few high wage free transfers. They will be hard to shift.

 

They do have a good academy they can continue to flog. But that's short-term thinking.

 

I've just checked and their average age is a lot younger than ours so I'm probably wrong somewhere. Must be the Pope/Dubs, Trippier, Schar, Burn, Wilson, Dummett, Ritchie.

 

The core of the side is a great age mind. It's really only Schar (not counting Pope as old for a GK) that doesn't have a younger model ready-made to replace him.

 

How is producing decent academy players short term thinking?

 

I'd disagree entirely. It's long term, clever thinking and absolutely essential these days. It's one big difference between you and us. We've been doing very well out of it, I can't remember the last time you sold a home grown player for decent money. Unless I'm missing someone.

 

I also don't get the point about Digne - he's been superb for us this season whilst Moreno has been largely injured, but Moreno too is decent.

 

Carlos is shite, but someone will buy him. He has attributes, just not the ones Emery likes.

 

Gerrard signing. Worth remembering, Emery has signed Moreno, Diaby, Zaniolo (loan), Pau Torres (absolutely immense and vital to how we play) and Morgan Rogers (looks a snip at 15m). He hasn't done a huge amount of business, but they've all looked the part, bar Zaniolo, and we'll be sending him back whence he came.

 

Although tbf, Gerrard did sign Kamara, and him doing his ACL had a huge negative effect on our season.

[brummie]

4 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

So funny the different reaction to Barkley from us and from wor Brummie.  

 

 

 

 

We, and you, are going to have to work the system.

 

Our (ours and yours) fans are going to have to realise it will be about smart transfer moves, too, not just spunking money everywhere.

 

Also, I've seen Barkley play for us already.

 

TBF, I reckon Emery could turn me into a decent PL player, and I can't run further than the end of the road.

[Checko]

Ultimately it's a Football Manager world and every player over 30 needs to be sold before their physical stats tank.

[The College Dropout]

11 minutes ago, brummie said:

 

How is producing decent academy players short term thinking?

 

I'd disagree entirely. It's long term, clever thinking and absolutely essential these days. It's one big difference between you and us. We've been doing very well out of it, I can't remember the last time you sold a home grown player for decent money. Unless I'm missing someone.

 

I also don't get the point about Digne - he's been superb for us this season whilst Moreno has been largely injured, but Moreno too is decent.

 

Carlos is shite, but someone will buy him. He has attributes, just not the ones Emery likes.

 

Gerrard signing. Worth remembering, Emery has signed Moreno, Diaby, Zaniolo (loan), Pau Torres (absolutely immense and vital to how we play) and Morgan Rogers (looks a snip at 15m). He hasn't done a huge amount of business, but they've all looked the part, bar Zaniolo, and we'll be sending him back whence he came.

 

Although tbf, Gerrard did sign Kamara, and him doing his ACL had a huge negative effect on our season.

Selling high potential academy players to fund signing players 26+ is short term thinking. I don’t think you will continue to sign players of that age on big wages. 
 

Carlos wages makes him hard to shift. He’s not going to get £100k in La Liga. 
 

Digne, Tielemans, Moreno, Carlos - these are players with poor release value in Europe. And if you can shift them, the fees will be moderate due to age.  
 

Again - that might not matter because you have a productive academy to offset.  

[joeyt]

Tielemans is 27. That's not old

[leffe186]

23 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

So funny the different reaction to Barkley from us and from wor Brummie.  

 

 

 

Sounded like you guys agreed it was a good idea. Is there another discussion somewhere else where he’s been dismissed?

 

It’s interesting that last Summer we were interested in Tosin and Kelly, and a fair few of us were looking at Barkley too this year. They all seem like good value buys to strengthen a squad.

[brummie]

29 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Selling high potential academy players to fund signing players 26+ is short term thinking. I don’t think you will continue to sign players of that age on big wages. 
 

Carlos wages makes him hard to shift. He’s not going to get £100k in La Liga. 
 

Digne, Tielemans, Moreno, Carlos - these are players with poor release value in Europe. And if you can shift them, the fees will be moderate due to age.  
 

Again - that might not matter because you have a productive academy to offset.  

 

Tielemans cost nothing, lest we forget. Moreno was 14, so, not exactly huge. Morgan Rogers was up to 14m with add ons, is 21 and has been superb since we signed him.

 

I totally disagree with the first line. If they are good enough to play, they play. If they are not, they go.

 

Aaron Ramsey - 15m

Cameron Archer - 19m

 

Not good enough for us, but that's a lot of money. And of course, Grealish, Chukwuemeka.

 

And who says using the profits to buy 26+ players is 'the plan'?

 

Kamara is 24, Diaby is 24, Torres is 26. They're not exactly pensioners. I am also not sure how Tielemans has poor release value - he's 26.

 

You've just landed on one player who is getting on, who we will probably lose money, and who was bought by the genius of Gerrard.

 

 

Edited May 20, 2024 by brummie

[toon25]

3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Who do Villa think is buying Diego Carlos and taking on his wages? I hope Saudi stay away.

 

The one thing I don't understand about Villa's strategy is they have signed a good few older players (Digne, Moreno, Carlos) and then a few high wage free transfers. They will be hard to shift.

 

They do have a good academy they can continue to flog. But that's short-term thinking.

 

I've just checked and their average age is a lot younger than ours so I'm probably wrong somewhere. Must be the Pope/Dubs, Trippier, Schar, Burn, Wilson, Dummett, Ritchie.

 

The core of the side is a great age mind. It's really only Schar (not counting Pope as old for a GK) that doesn't have a younger model ready-made to replace him.

He's got Saudi written all over him, Carlos

[Pata]

23 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Tielemans is 27. That's not old

 

Will be hard to try to move him if they want to at some point if the reported £150k a week salary is accurate (unless Saudi Arabia). I believe that was TCD's point but I have no idea how he did this season.

[brummie]

Just now, Pata said:

 

Will be hard to try to move him if they want to at some point if the reported £150k a week salary is accurate (unless Saudi Arabia). I believe that was TCD's point but I have no idea how he did this season.

 

Started slowly, did very well towards the end.

 

he turned 27 last week, cost us nothing and is a very good player.

 

I'm gobsmacked as to how that's an example of buying a player who is hard to shift (even if we wanted to).

[Pata]

There are no free transfers. Lack of fee usually means a massive signing bonus and higher wages than on a normal transfer.

[brummie]

For clarity - Tielemans cost £0, Harvey Barnes cost £38m. Tielemans is a whopping 7 months older than Barnes.

 

I appreciate Tielemans will have a higher salary because that's what happens with free transfers, but I am sure Barnes isn't on poverty wages.

 

So if Tielemans is a bad signing in terms of future options, what does that make Barnes at 38m more?

[Menace]

A cheaper flop than Diaby 

 

Edit: Tielemans has been decent last few months TBF. We could've done with him this season.

 

 

Edited May 20, 2024 by Menace