Other clubs' transfers

[joeyt]

would have been nice to have some sell on money

 

 

[Ben]

 

[Rich]

Luís Campos to thank?

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, brummie said:

 

Ah, i see why you would assume that, lack of clarity from me. I wasn't suggesting the upfront bit was anything to do with PSR, I mentioned up front and bonuses to illustrate that the actual fee was much less than what was reported.

I misread your initial post tbf - it was clear.

 

I'm still choosing to believe he cost £50m minimum though.

[The College Dropout]

5 hours ago, Froggy said:

The financial side of things is such a huge factor now. 

 

He's 18. If he comes to us, plays well, and Madrid want him then so be it. He'll be on a 6 year contract and they'll pay through the nose for him. 

That's not the Madrid strategy anymore. If they throw the big money at him, it will be now. Otherwise they'll wait for the next wonderkid, get a kid from the Portuguese league or get an established star for free.

[KaKa]

4 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

From what I'm seeing it's €7m a year +€2m in bonus add ons. 

 

Works out around £110k per week base? It's a high wage for a teenager but don't think it's ridiculous. 

 

The fee is the real shocker for me, as he was in the last year of his deal, which is why Real didn't want to pay a high fee.

 

Also, isn't this just the whole Di Maria thing again, where his preference was elsewhere, but the big money has been used to sway him?

 

Sure I've seen you say recently that you were going to be moving away from both these sorts of actions going forward?

[brummie]

50 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I misread your initial post tbf - it was clear.

 

I'm still choosing to believe he cost £50m minimum though.

 

£4.5m tops, mate.

[gdm]

56 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

The fee is the real shocker for me, as he was in the last year of his deal, which is why Real didn't want to pay a high fee.

 

Also, isn't this just the whole Di Maria thing again, where his preference was elsewhere, but the big money has been used to sway him?

 

Sure I've seen you say recently that you were going to be moving away from both these sorts of actions going forward?

It’s hilarious how Man Utd fans are twisting themselves inside out to try and convince us all it’s a brave new world and they won’t over pay then they pay £60m+ on an 18 year old with about 40 games under his belt and with a year left on his contract.

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, gdm said:

It’s hilarious how Man Utd fans are twisting themselves inside out to try and convince us all it’s a brave new world and they won’t over pay then they pay £60m+ on an 18 year old with about 40 games under his belt and with a year left on his contract.

 

You were criticising us last week for only offering £50m for a 22 year old with 40 games under his belt.

 

Yoro is 3-4 years younger and is £42m + add ons. 

 

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

Also, isn't this just the whole Di Maria thing again, where his preference was elsewhere, but the big money has been used to sway him?

 

I think most people need to understand that almost every players preference will be Real Madrid. 

 

You think Isak, Bruno G etc. want to play for Newcastle over Real Madrid? Of course not. Garnacho, Hojlund etc. if the opportunity came to go to Madrid they're not saying no, but that's not to say that you shouldn't sign them and play them in the first place. 

 

We're signing what people are describing as a generational talent on a 6 year deal. If he's great for 6 years it's well worth the money, and I'm sure the people in charge now will be smart enough to not lose him for free. 

 

It's a positive signing. 

[gdm]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

You were criticising us last week for only offering £50m for a 22 year old with 40 games under his belt.

 

Yoro is 3-4 years younger and is £42m + add ons. 

And you said it wasn’t the way you worked anymore and you’ve spent more on someone younger with less experience. 
 

I criticised Man Utd for bidding way off what the selling club wanted it could have £50m it could have been £20m my criticism was that it’s a waste of time strategy and sure enough Everton end up selling another player and not needing the money 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by gdm

[KaKa]

Just now, Froggy said:

I think most people need to understand that almost every players preference will be Real Madrid. 

 

You think Isak, Bruno G etc. want to play for Newcastle over Real Madrid? Of course not. Garnacho, Hojlund etc. if the opportunity came to go to Madrid they're not saying no, but that's not to say that you shouldn't sign them and play them in the first place. 

 

We're signing what people are describing as a generational talent on a 6 year deal. If he's great for 6 years it's well worth the money, and I'm sure the people in charge now will be smart enough to not lose him for free. 

 

It's a positive signing. 

 

You don't have to tell me what to understand.

 

The point is that you've seemingly thrown money at his club and the player to pressure him to join you. Similar to the Di Maria situation.

 

Paying £42 million plus add-ons, for a player who is in the last year of his contract, and to use your logic, has only had one good year in France for that matter, seems very excessive.

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, gdm said:

And you said it wasn’t the way you worked anymore and you’ve spent more on someone younger with less experience. 

 

We've spent less. and not sure if you're aware but your value is higher the younger you are if you're already established.

 

[Ikon]

Personally, I’d sure as hell rather do this deal that ManU are doing than DCL for 25m that some on here were very ok with. IF we had done the same deal that these cunts have then I wouldn’t be complaining too much. Id be thinking that this is what it took to beat RM to the signature. 
 

Having said that, for the money I would have gone for someone else. 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Ikon

[gdm]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We've spent less. and not sure if you're aware but your value is higher the younger you are if you're already established.

 

You haven’t spent less tho. It’s €70m with the add ons and we both know most of the add ons will be stuff that’ll get met quite easily it’s just a way of kicking part of the payment down the road 

 

fwiw I think it’ll be a great signing it’s just funny how your view on ‘the new Man Utd way of working’ is turning inside out and back again. I respect you for defending it which ever way. it’s just funny 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by gdm

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Ikon said:

Personally, I’d sure as hell rather do this deal that ManU are doing than DCL for 25m that some on here were very ok with. 

 

Has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion we're having. 

[Ikon]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion we're having. 

Did I quote you!?? I was just saying what I think. I see many saying that they are extremely overpaying. 
 

Yes it’s a lot of money when you think about the contract expiring. But that’s the way they gotta do it to make the deal happen. It’s not just a random young kid they are signing. 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Ikon

[Froggy]

11 minutes ago, KaKa said:

You don't have to tell me what to understand.

 

The point is that you've seemingly thrown money at his club and the player to pressure him to join you. Similar to the Di Maria situation.

 

Paying £42 million plus add-ons, for a player who is in the last year of his contract, and to use your logic, has only had one good year in France for that matter, seems very excessive.

 

The contract is very reasonable IMO. We've made a bid and contract offer for an extremely high rated player, and he has accepted. It's as simple as that. 

 

Under no illusions he'll likely want to move to Madrid in the future, and just have to hope we sell well. 

 

Worth noting Varane was on £300k+ a week. Yoro's transfer fee and wages spread over the duration of his contract = Varane's wages. It's sound business for a player who's resale value should be much higher than Branthwaite's. 

 

9 minutes ago, gdm said:

You haven’t spent less tho. It’s €70m with the add ons and we both know most of the add ons will be stuff that’ll get met quite easily 

 

Stop making up figures man.

 

It's £42m rising to £52m with add ons. That's €62m in total if all add ons are hit. 

 

Our latest bid for Branthwaite was £45m up front + £5m in add ons and was dismissed as being far too low and you found it to be a joke of a bid. It would have taken £65-70m for Branthwaite. This is a no brainier. 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Froggy

[gdm]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Stop making up figures man.

I haven’t made anything up  Mr Ornstein who is very well respected when it comes to transfers says it’s potentially rising to €70m. That’s a pretty good source. Unlike you I actually checked. Embarrassing for you that

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by gdm

[Kimbo]

I’m pleased Man U didn’t get Branthwaite regardless of the money involved. They can spend so much that it’s not even worth tallying up, though it doesn’t stop them complaining about other clubs being able to spend.

 

If they got him he probably would’ve been a first team player for the next decade.

 

Can’t say I know anything about the guy they’re signing so can’t comment.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Kimbo

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

I’m pleased Man U didn’t get Branthwaite regardless of the money involved. They can spend so much that it’s not even worth tallying up, though it doesn’t stop them complaining about other clubs being able to spend.

 

If they got him he probably would’ve been a first team player for the next decade.

 

Can’t say I know anything about the guy they’re signing so can’t comment.

 

We'll still be after him, we just need to sell now. Couldn't afford to be dragged into a saga for the summer so had to get at least one centre back in early. 

[Froggy]

6 minutes ago, gdm said:

I haven’t made anything up  Mr Ornstein who is very well respected when it comes to transfers says it’s potentially rising to €70m. That’s a pretty good source. Unlike you I actually checked. Embarrassing for you that

 

 

 

 

Just wait until the add ons are confirmed and what they actually are.

 

Either way, we've paid £42m up front. Less than what our derisory offer for Branthwaite was. 

 

For some reason you're trying to suggest that all the add ons will be simple to achieve, which is based on absolutely nothing.

 

Just enjoy the signing gdm. You'd be waxing lyrical if you signed this guy. 

[KaKa]

9 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

The contract is very reasonable IMO. We've made a bid and contract offer for an extremely high rated player, and he has accepted. It's as simple as that. 

 

Under no illusions he'll likely want to move to Madrid in the future, and just have to hope we sell well. 

 

Worth noting Varane was on £300k+ a week. Yoro's transfer fee and wages spread over the duration of his contract = Varane's wages. It's sound business for a player who's resale value should be much higher than Branthwaite's. 

 

 

 

I can't really take you seriously man.

 

We'll see how the whole thing plays out I guess.

 

Also be interesting to see what kind of budget you have left and how it is affected by this deal.

[gdm]

9 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Just wait until the add ons are confirmed and what they actually are.

 

Either way, we've paid £42m up front. Less than what our derisory offer for Branthwaite was. 

 

For some reason you're trying to suggest that all the add ons will be simple to achieve, which is based on absolutely nothing.

 

Just enjoy the signing gdm. You'd be waxing lyrical if you signed this guy. 

 

haha you were wrong have enough humility to admit it. 
 

the add on generally are achievable but you are correct it’s based on nothing.

 

i literally just said it was a good signing which you bizarrely chose to ignore 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by gdm

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, gdm said:

haha you were wrong have enough humility to admit it. 
 

the add on generally are achievable but you are correct it’s based on nothing.

 

i literally just said it was a good signing which you bizarrely choose to ignore 

 

You edited your post and added it in after. I didn't see it. 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Froggy

[Froggy]

16 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

 

I can't really take you seriously man.

 

We'll see how the whole thing plays out I guess.

 

Also be interesting to see what kind of budget you have left and how it is affected by this deal.

 

£34-35m for Zirkzee and £42m + add ons for Yoro. I'd imagine that's all we could afford without sales. 

 

But we've sold or are selling Greenwood, Kambwala, Van de Beek and Fernandez for about £40m + add ons. So that's probably enough to get De Ligt in as well?

 

We're also saving £36m a year in wages (disgusting) just from releasing Varane and Martial. So is that a factor for transfers? 

 

Honestly no idea how the budgets work.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Froggy