Other clubs' transfers

[KaKa]

22 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

How much?

 

Nice one West Ham 

 

The way the rules have been set up to benefit these so called "top 6"clubs, this should be the response by everyone else, as soon as any of them come for any player this should be how it goes. Extortionate prices always 

 

 

Edited Monday at 19:03 by KaKa

[The College Dropout]

Very interested in how Villa navigate this window.  If they sell rogers or not. And how they go about using the funds.  
 

I have a scenario where Villa can challenge for the league next season and then fall right off it within 2-3 years. 

[SteV]

50 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Nice one West Ham 

 

The way the rules have been set up to benefit these so called "top 6"clubs, this should be the response by everyone else, as soon as any of them come for any player this should be how it goes. Extortionate prices always 

 

 

 

All very well til said player starts acting like a massive dickhead and going on strike…

[Holtender]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Very interested in how Villa navigate this window.  If they sell rogers or not. And how they go about using the funds.  
 

I have a scenario where Villa can challenge for the league next season and then fall right off it within 2-3 years. 

Your scenario is exactly based on what. 

Fantastic ambitious owners proven backroom staff , world class manager. Competitive squad. 

Having watched Your lads struggling most weekends I'd be more worried about your boys and your one dimensional manager.To most of the league your decline has started already. My take is your scenario is based more on hope.

[Fak]

2 minutes ago, Holtender said:

Your scenario is exactly based on what. 

Fantastic ambitious owners proven backroom staff , world class manager. Competitive squad. 

Having watched Your lads struggling most weekends I'd be more worried about your boys and your one dimensional manager.To most of the league your decline has started already. My take is your scenario is based more on hope.

 

Custard tits.

[toon25]

4 minutes ago, Holtender said:

Your scenario is exactly based on what. 

Fantastic ambitious owners proven backroom staff , world class manager. Competitive squad. 

Having watched Your lads struggling most weekends I'd be more worried about your boys and your one dimensional manager.To most of the league your decline has started already. My take is your scenario is based more on hope.

 

Piss off.

[Holtender]

The whole system is to prevent ambitious clubs like ours challenging the shit 6 . Clubs like ours are the only hope left for every other club in the premier league with any sort of ambition but we all know the closer we get the more obstacles wil be put in front of us . K9

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, Holtender said:

The whole system is to prevent ambitious clubs like ours challenging the shit 6 . Clubs like ours are the only hope left for every other club in the premier league with any sort of ambition but we all know the closer we get the more obstacles wil be put in front of us . K9

 

Not sure why your first post was so aggressive given the one you were quoting wasn't remotely critical of your team.

 

I think, generally, you'll find complete agreement regarding the cartel and the structural inequalities which impact the likes of you and us.

[lovejoy]

9 minutes ago, Holtender said:

The whole system is to prevent ambitious clubs like ours challenging the shit 6 . Clubs like ours are the only hope left for every other club in the premier league with any sort of ambition but we all know the closer we get the more obstacles wil be put in front of us . K9

Agree with this but your first post was so bizarre. Calm down, mate. There’s a resident Villa fan on here and he’s brilliant, you don’t need to start off so defensive and aggressive.

[Ginola]

17 minutes ago, Holtender said:

Your scenario is exactly based on what. 

Fantastic ambitious owners proven backroom staff , world class manager. Competitive squad. 

Having watched Your lads struggling most weekends I'd be more worried about your boys and your one dimensional manager.To most of the league your decline has started already. My take is your scenario is based more on hope.

I'd assume TCD means Villa are close to a position to compete but that would require aggressive acquisition which would be bordering on the edge of financial regulations and its not unrealistic to assume you miss one target and have to sell and regress as a result of the very restrictive regulations outside of the Sky 6

[TheBrownBottle]

Spotted Ekitike’s agent’s car in Sydney this morning on the way to a meeting - can’t wait to see him upfront with Stamatelopoulos

[Curva Sud Milano]

1 hour ago, Holtender said:

The whole system is to prevent ambitious clubs like ours challenging the shit 6 . Clubs like ours are the only hope left for every other club in the premier league with any sort of ambition but we all know the closer we get the more obstacles wil be put in front of us . K9

 

I've heard these words for decades here in Italy... it's an argument that can only create false alibis. Furthermore, the money distribution in PL is much much more equitable than in any other European league.

The problem is much simpler, and Serie A suffered the same thing 25 years ago... you're reaching the breaking point, spending more than you can afford.

Only four teams in PL have positive balance sheets (season 24/25) and this is a much bigger problem than the Big 6.

Premier League clubs have paid an average of €250 million each in wages... this is a recipe for disaster.

[r0cafella]

23 minutes ago, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

I've heard these words for decades here in Italy... it's an argument that can only create false alibis. Furthermore, the money distribution in PL is much much more equitable than in any other European league.

The problem is much simpler, and Serie A suffered the same thing 25 years ago... you're reaching the breaking point, spending more than you can afford.

Only four teams in PL have positive balance sheets (season 24/25) and this is a much bigger problem than the Big 6.

Premier League clubs have paid an average of €250 million each in wages... this is a recipe for disaster.

Cost is afforded based upon what one can afford. In the real world what I can afford extends to my personal limitations, this isnt the case for football. Outside investment by owners is basically prohibited, the reason this is an issue is because this wasn't the case previously. 

 

In order to grow revenue investment has to me made, if your not allowed to invest you can't grow revenue it's that simple. 

 

 

[Optimistic Nut]

I do think we're in a better position than Villa despite last season. We have 4-5 players (Inc Gordon) who could probably fetch a £60-80m fee. As TCD says, Villa have a lot of first-teamers in the late 20s-early 30s bracket. Rogers is their one big saleable asset.

 

If we do it correctly over the next 2-4 years we should be signing 1.5 to 2 first-team ready players per big sale. Get better at selling the purple-patch players and we can kick on definitely.

[Curva Sud Milano]

5 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Cost is afforded based upon what one can afford. In the real world what I can afford extends to my personal limitations, this isnt the case for football. Outside investment by owners is basically prohibited, the reason this is an issue is because this wasn't the case previously. 

 

In order to grow revenue investment has to me made, if your not allowed to invest you can't grow revenue it's that simple. 

 

 

 

When you sell the stadium to yourself... it's the beginning of the end. Besides being a practice bordering on illegality, it's enormously damaging to you fans.

These aren't investments that benefit the Club, they're investments that benefit your owners.

Let's be clear: you're not the only ones, half the PL does these things.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

When you sell the stadium to yourself... it's the beginning of the end. Besides being a practice bordering on illegality, it's enormously damaging to you fans.

These aren't investments that benefit the Club, they're investments that benefit your owners.

Let's be clear: you're not the only ones, half the PL does these things.

Your missing the point my friend, the only reason this was done was to comply with made up rules. We don't have liquidity concerns our owners continue to pump money in by issuing shares the club carries very little debt. 

[Froggy]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Your missing the point my friend, the only reason this was done was to comply with made up rules. We don't have liquidity concerns our owners continue to pump money in by issuing shares the club carries very little debt. 

 

All rules are made up. Murder is a made up law.

 

He's making a very valid point in that you generated £130m accounting profit by selling your stadium to yourself. Blatantly gaming the system to fund Wissa and Elanga.

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

All rules are made up. Murder is a made up law.

 

He's making a very valid point in that you generated £130m accounting profit by selling your stadium to yourself. Blatantly gaming the system to fund Wissa and Elanga.

Indeed all rules are made up, in particular the egregious ones we have in football at present. 

 

Your a Manchester United fan. Wasting money is a very familiar subject to you. 

[BoSelecta]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

All rules are made up. Murder is a made up law.

 

He's making a very valid point in that you generated £130m accounting profit by selling your stadium to yourself. Blatantly gaming the system to fund Wissa and Elanga.

And why shouldn’t we game the system? 

[Curva Sud Milano]

31 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Your missing the point my friend, the only reason this was done was to comply with made up rules. We don't have liquidity concerns our owners continue to pump money in by issuing shares the club carries very little debt. 

 

I understand what you mean but you're also missing a point... They sold an asset of the Club (and therefore yours, the fans) to a private individual. When the Arabs leave... best wishes!!!

Regarding liquidity... you have no debt because you sold the stadium, your debt was 110 million euros and you transformed it into a profit of 40, an excellent financial operation for the Arabs but not for the fans.

 

If I decide not to have children I can either stop having sex or buy a condom, you have chosen the most drastic thing... cutting off your dick.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

I understand what you mean but you're also missing a point... They sold an asset of the Club (and therefore yours, the fans) to a private individual. When the Arabs leave... best wishes!!!

Regarding liquidity... you have no debt because you sold the stadium, your debt was 110 million euros and you transformed it into a profit of 40, an excellent financial operation for the Arabs but not for the fans.

 

If I decide not to have children I can either stop having sex or buy a condom, you have chosen the most drastic thing... cutting off your dick.

They sold the stadium to a company within the group structure. Ultimately when they bought the club they could do what they want with the assets which belong to the club, this applies to any company in any part of the world also. 

 

Id share your concern if the motive was asset striping but that isnt the case as proven by the sheer amount of capital investment. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I find out owners decision making perplexing at times but they have demonstrated a willingness to invest in the club which we didn't see for 15 years prior. 

[Poon Raccoon]

19 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

All rules are made up. Murder is a made up law.

 

He's making a very valid point in that you generated £130m accounting profit by selling your stadium to yourself. Blatantly gaming the system to fund Wissa and Elanga.

Says the fella whose team is 1.3 Billion in debt yet still spends outrageous money on players.

 

We all know who ‘games’ the system, with the PL help of course.

[Froggy]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Indeed all rules are made up, in particular the egregious ones we have in football at present. 

 

Your a Manchester United fan. Wasting money is a very familiar subject to you. 

 

This is the thing with all this embarrassing "cartel" craic, and it is embarrassing believe me. 

 

The "cartel" argument falls apart the moment you ask what Newcastle fans actually want instead. You don't want a level playing field, you want no restrictions on the wealthiest owners in world football.  The established clubs built huge revenues over decades through success, fanbases and commercial growth. You can argue that gives them an advantage, but your answer is essentially "our owners are richer than yours."

 

Like Veruca Salt in Willy Wonka, a lot of you are shouting "I want it now!" Almost like you're blocking out the already huge amount of investment from your owners, or the fact they can continue to pour money into your stadium, training facilities and youth facilities without affecting PSR. Your growth in the five years since they've taken over is colossal. Doubled revenues, won a trophy, regularly competing in the Champions League yet still complaining about the "cartel." Your owners have invested far, far more than ours have.
 

If PSR disappeared tomorrow, you wouldn't be getting rid of a "cartel" You would simply replace it with a system where the club backed by the deepest pockets wins. Dick all to do with sporting merit, just a different route to financial dominance. Without PSR, Qatar could buy Burnley and make them title challengers in a couple of seasons. That's not saving football, it's reducing it to a bidding war between states. You're complaining about unfair advantages while demanding the biggest unfair advantage of all.

 

The real debate is whether PSR is the best way to regulate spending, not whether clubs should be allowed to spend unlimited sovereign wealth fund money. Should there be sustainability rules though? Abso-fucking-lutely. 

[Curva Sud Milano]

9 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

They sold the stadium to a company within the group structure. Ultimately when they bought the club they could do what they want with the assets which belong to the club, this applies to any company in any part of the world also. 

 

Id share your concern if the motive was asset striping but that isnt the case as proven by the sheer amount of capital investment. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I find out owners decision making perplexing at times but they have demonstrated a willingness to invest in the club which we didn't see for 15 years prior. 

 

When you sell properties that belong to the Club you are "robbing" your own fans. It is much, much worse than selling your best players.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

This is the thing with all this embarrassing "cartel" craic, and it is embarrassing believe me. 

 

The "cartel" argument falls apart the moment you ask what Newcastle fans actually want instead. You don't want a level playing field, you want no restrictions on the wealthiest owners in world football.  The established clubs built huge revenues over decades through success, fanbases and commercial growth. You can argue that gives them an advantage, but your answer is essentially "our owners are richer than yours."

 

Like Veruca Salt in Willy Wonka, a lot of you are shouting "I want it now!" Almost like you're blocking out the already huge amount of investment from your owners, or the fact they can continue to pour money into your stadium, training facilities and youth facilities without affecting PSR. Your growth in the five years since they've taken over is colossal. Doubled revenues, won a trophy, regularly competing in the Champions League yet still complaining about the "cartel." Your owners have invested far, far more than ours have.
 

If PSR disappeared tomorrow, you wouldn't be getting rid of a "cartel" You would simply replace it with a system where the club backed by the deepest pockets wins. Dick all to do with sporting merit, just a different route to financial dominance. Without PSR, Qatar could buy Burnley and make them title challengers in a couple of seasons. That's not saving football, it's reducing it to a bidding war between states. You're complaining about unfair advantages while demanding the biggest unfair advantage of all.

 

The real debate is whether PSR is the best way to regulate spending, not whether clubs should be allowed to spend unlimited sovereign wealth fund money. Should there be sustainability rules though? Abso-fucking-lutely. 

This is such a load of shit and you know it. 

 

Im yet to see a single poster on here say they want the tables titled in our favour? What we want is a ruleset which is fair and believe me it's really easy to draw up rules which are fair however no such hope of this coming to pass. 

 

Why don't we have rules where everyone can spend the same? Id be over the moon with that personally, is that me tilting the deck in our favour?