marki Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Imagine being thick enough to genuinely believe Rafas top transfer target was Rondon. "Mike, I don't want money, I merely want Salomon Rondon on loan." The same breed of fan who was on talk sport last night saying pardew acheived more than rafa..infact what has rafa done.its a losing battle following newcastle it really is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 You couldn't pay me to listen to that shite. Once you realise that it's monetised trolling and nothing to do with debate, it's really easy to ignore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marki Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 monetised trolling..thats not in my dictionary ,wtf does it even mean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Imagine being thick enough to genuinely believe Rafas top transfer target was Rondon. "Mike, I don't want money, I merely want Salomon Rondon on loan." The same breed of fan who was on talk sport last night saying pardew acheived more than rafa..infact what has rafa done.its a losing battle following newcastle it really is Its a subjective statement that as theres many ifs and buts involved but if you are basing it on purely factual then he has really, just like its purely factual that Roberto Di Matteo is a champions league winning manager even though hes utter shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The average match going fans, where do they get their news, their info? If they don't pay much attention they're still caught up in the "support the team" mantra and have heard Rafa say pretty much the same thing. The only thing I can think that might make a dent is handing out flyers. A5 size, just listing facts and a paragraph of persuasive rhetoric to think again. Hand them out on match days. Links to pertinent social media maybe. They need waking up to a larger field of info because right now they're hurting the long term wellbeing of the very club they profess to support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Looking on twitter at the morons slating Rafa and the ones saying a boycott is pointless, we literally have no chance of ever acheiving anything against Ashley as a fanbase when we have so many of these utter cretins who follow us. Theyre blaming the wrong person for this mess and wont do anything against Ashley. We're fucking doomed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Looking on twitter at the morons slating Rafa and the ones saying a boycott is pointless, we literally have no chance of ever acheiving anything against Ashley as a fanbase when we have so many of these utter cretins who follow us. Theyre blaming the wrong person for this mess and wont do anything against Ashley. We're fucking doomed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Mr Logic, Scoot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Look, I’m not for a minute saying that our predicament is Rafa’s fault. That’s on Mike Ashley. It doesn’t even need to be said, yet it does apparently. I’m just saying that Rafa hasn’t done as good a job as he did last year. It’s pretty much the same squad as what he finished up with last season. Yet we’re now miles off that. Why is he immune to criticism for this? Several players have been way off what they were too. Lascelles being one, he looks a shadow of himself. We’re a bunch of surrender monkeys this season. And before someone says “if we stand still we go backwards” that’s not entirely true. Man Utd went a few seasons with the same squad and kept their standard extremely high. Arsenal went a few seasons without much investment and stayed in the top 4. Everton went a long time without much investment and stayed roughly in or around what they’d been achieving under Moyes. Our run in last season coincided with a couple of key loan signings, but ever since he’s had more time to work with them, they’ve all gone off the boil. The organisation that was present while Cathro was still a coach here is definitely missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Cathro? What's Cathro got to do with anything? He left in December 2016. Between the end of January up until mid April 2018, we didn't concede a single goal at SJP. And your other points are bullshite. Man United and Arsenal could go 1 or 2 seasons without serious investment because of the serious quality they already had. Rafa has no quality worthy of mentioning to work with. The fixtures to start the season haven't helped either. Every side around us has spent on their squads whilst we've spent 100k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Man U didn't 'need' to spend for a couple of years so neither do we. Is it a deliberate shit-off between some posters on this forum at the moment or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Cathro? What's Cathro got to do with anything? He left in December 2016. Between the end of January up until mid April 2018, we didn't concede a single goal at SJP. And your other points are bullshite. Man United and Arsenal could go 1 or 2 seasons without serious investment because of the serious quality they already had. Rafa has no quality worthy of mentioning to work with. The fixtures to start the season haven't helped either. Every side around us has spent on their squads whilst we've spent 100k. We didn’t concede because we had an injection of quality from the loan signings we brought in (in January) This squad finished 10th last season. Yet now we can’t win a fucking game. It’s the same fucking squad. So how is that not on Rafa? And money spent also means nothing. Fulham spent about 100m and are 3 points ahead of us. Cathro is relevant. We definitely were worse for his absence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Cathro? What's Cathro got to do with anything? He left in December 2016. Between the end of January up until mid April 2018, we didn't concede a single goal at SJP. And your other points are bullshite. Man United and Arsenal could go 1 or 2 seasons without serious investment because of the serious quality they already had. Rafa has no quality worthy of mentioning to work with. The fixtures to start the season haven't helped either. Every side around us has spent on their squads whilst we've spent 100k. We didn’t concede because we had an injection of quality from the loan signings we brought in (in January) This squad finished 10th last season. Yet now we can’t win a fucking game. It’s the same fucking squad. So how is that not on Rafa? And money spent also means nothing. Fulham spent about 100m and are 3 points ahead of us. Cathro is relevant. We definitely were worse for his absence. Righto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 My question asked and answered. Deliberate shit-off. Cheers Odin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Cathro? What's Cathro got to do with anything? He left in December 2016. Between the end of January up until mid April 2018, we didn't concede a single goal at SJP. And your other points are bullshite. Man United and Arsenal could go 1 or 2 seasons without serious investment because of the serious quality they already had. Rafa has no quality worthy of mentioning to work with. The fixtures to start the season haven't helped either. Every side around us has spent on their squads whilst we've spent 100k. It’s the same f***ing squad. So how is that not on Rafa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Look, I’m not for a minute saying that our predicament is Rafa’s fault. That’s on Mike Ashley. It doesn’t even need to be said, yet it does apparently. I’m just saying that Rafa hasn’t done as good a job as he did last year. It’s pretty much the same squad as what he finished up with last season. Yet we’re now miles off that. Why is he immune to criticism for this? Several players have been way off what they were too. Lascelles being one, he looks a shadow of himself. We’re a bunch of surrender monkeys this season. And before someone says “if we stand still we go backwards” that’s not entirely true. Man Utd went a few seasons with the same squad and kept their standard extremely high. Arsenal went a few seasons without much investment and stayed in the top 4. Everton went a long time without much investment and stayed roughly in or around what they’d been achieving under Moyes. Our run in last season coincided with a couple of key loan signings, but ever since he’s had more time to work with them, they’ve all gone off the boil. The organisation that was present while Cathro was still a coach here is definitely missing. The players and fans had hope last season that Rafa might be properly backed for a change in the summer and then extend his contract and we all know how that panned out due to the fat twat of an owner! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Reading back over the last couple of pages, I believe those questions have been answered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Cathro? What's Cathro got to do with anything? He left in December 2016. Between the end of January up until mid April 2018, we didn't concede a single goal at SJP. And your other points are bullshite. Man United and Arsenal could go 1 or 2 seasons without serious investment because of the serious quality they already had. Rafa has no quality worthy of mentioning to work with. The fixtures to start the season haven't helped either. Every side around us has spent on their squads whilst we've spent 100k. We didn’t concede because we had an injection of quality from the loan signings we brought in (in January) This squad finished 10th last season. Yet now we can’t win a fucking game. It’s the same fucking squad. So how is that not on Rafa? And money spent also means nothing. Fulham spent about 100m and are 3 points ahead of us. Cathro is relevant. We definitely were worse for his absence. Cathro?! ?????? We weren't very fucking organised when Steve Mclaren and his HAAAAAAAAIR ISSSSLAND were here. Of all the things to pick up on, the first team coach who left TWO YEARS AGO is one of the biggest issues. This country Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Cathro? What's Cathro got to do with anything? He left in December 2016. Between the end of January up until mid April 2018, we didn't concede a single goal at SJP. And your other points are bullshite. Man United and Arsenal could go 1 or 2 seasons without serious investment because of the serious quality they already had. Rafa has no quality worthy of mentioning to work with. The fixtures to start the season haven't helped either. Every side around us has spent on their squads whilst we've spent 100k. We didn’t concede because we had an injection of quality from the loan signings we brought in (in January) This squad finished 10th last season. Yet now we can’t win a fucking game. It’s the same fucking squad. So how is that not on Rafa? And money spent also means nothing. Fulham spent about 100m and are 3 points ahead of us. Cathro is relevant. We definitely were worse for his absence. Cathro left halfway through the championship season ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Cathro? What's Cathro got to do with anything? He left in December 2016. Between the end of January up until mid April 2018, we didn't concede a single goal at SJP. And your other points are bullshite. Man United and Arsenal could go 1 or 2 seasons without serious investment because of the serious quality they already had. Rafa has no quality worthy of mentioning to work with. The fixtures to start the season haven't helped either. Every side around us has spent on their squads whilst we've spent 100k. We didn’t concede because we had an injection of quality from the loan signings we brought in (in January) This squad finished 10th last season. Yet now we can’t win a fucking game. It’s the same fucking squad. So how is that not on Rafa? And money spent also means nothing. Fulham spent about 100m and are 3 points ahead of us. Cathro is relevant. We definitely were worse for his absence. Other teams improved their squads . We did not . Blame Ashley . Shall i walk you through it again ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Look, I’m not for a minute saying that our predicament is Rafa’s fault. That’s on Mike Ashley. It doesn’t even need to be said, yet it does apparently. I’m just saying that Rafa hasn’t done as good a job as he did last year. You were saying that the only reason Rafa doesn't get as much stick as Pardew is because he's loved. That's completely different to saying that he hasn't done as good a job as last year, which also seems an odd thing to say after 9 matches, when we had even worse form from October to December last season. It’s pretty much the same squad as what he finished up with last season. Yet we’re now miles off that. Well yeah, every other team spent money to improve their teams and we didn't. I wonder why we're now miles behind when we already had one of the weakest squads in the Premier League. Why is he immune to criticism for this? Why does this need answering for you? The answer's simple, because the squad not being improved clearly isn't on him, it's on Ashley. I'm genuinely stunned that a Newcastle fan would ask this tbh. And before someone says “if we stand still we go backwards” that’s not entirely true. Man Utd went a few seasons with the same squad and kept their standard extremely high. Arsenal went a few seasons without much investment and stayed in the top 4. Everton went a long time without much investment and stayed roughly in or around what they’d been achieving under Moyes. The examples you've mentioned are teams that were either challenging for the league or challenging for Champions League places, already had the players to do so, and they ended up in the same position. We're a team that struggled to stay in the league last season, had players bought for the Championship, and we're in the same position. What's your point? How is that even a remotely relevant comparison anyway? Spurs didn't spend any money, should we suddenly be as good as them because we haven't either? Or is it simply because they already have most of the players they need? Our run in last season coincided with a couple of key loan signings, but ever since he’s had more time to work with them, they’ve all gone off the boil. Correlation ≠ Causation. The organisation that was present while Cathro was still a coach here is definitely missing. Cathro left in December 2016, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Cathro? What's Cathro got to do with anything? He left in December 2016. Between the end of January up until mid April 2018, we didn't concede a single goal at SJP. And your other points are bullshite. Man United and Arsenal could go 1 or 2 seasons without serious investment because of the serious quality they already had. Rafa has no quality worthy of mentioning to work with. The fixtures to start the season haven't helped either. Every side around us has spent on their squads whilst we've spent 100k. We didn’t concede because we had an injection of quality from the loan signings we brought in (in January) Dubravka was a big upgrade, but our defensive organisation through 17/18 was already very good. This squad finished 10th last season. Yet now we can’t win a fucking game. Again, last season we had worse form from October to December, yet you're talking as if we were 10th all season. It’s the same fucking squad. So how is that not on Rafa? I think this one's been answered enough now. And money spent also means nothing. Fulham spent about 100m and are 3 points ahead of us. and Man City and Liverpool spent about £200m between them and are top. What sort of daft point to make is that? Of course money means something. Cathro is relevant. We definitely were worse for his absence. Cathro left in December 2016, man. Our defensive record has been exactly the same. Fuh-king Hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 monetised trolling..thats not in my dictionary ,wtf does it even mean Basically their business model is Deliberately say something stupid/uninformed/controversial about a club - club's fans tweet, text, and call in - profit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 We're really struggling in the post-Cathro era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Didn't we have the best defence outside the top 6 last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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