WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 :lol: Just said we're not competing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Rafa getting more and more vocal about wanting to compete for something to give him incentive to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Well, he just played a reverse sweep Did not expect those comments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 And here is Michael Owen Owen Hargreaves just obliterated him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Owen showing exactly why he should never be accepted here with his sly Ashley support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Rafa doesn't want complete control of the club football wise as I've seen some say (may have misread something so apologises if i have). He wants the training ground improved, and the ability to sign players he wants, not players lower on his list because his first choice is 28 years old. He seems quite willing to work within a set budget but they want too much say in the age of the players he wants to sign. Yet again their collective brains are in their arses, let Rafa sign who he wants and more money will come in than buying a young player hoping he can be sold on. They're so thick. From what I read it seems he wants to know what budget he has to work with and have transfers done quicker which is reasonable, but he wants to spend the money as he sees fit and if that means spending it all on players over 30 years old then he feels his decisions shouldn't be questioned. Ashley is probably the extreme case, but not many owners will give managers that sort of control these days. I do think the club has to compromise though to allow some experienced players be signed and getting Rondon makes sense as he has proven to be quality this season. I agree with a lot of the demands Benitez has asked from the club, but its just not realistic to expect Ashley or even other clubs to give the kind of control he wants from transfers even managers at Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea have to work under directors of football or transfer committees. I do agree with this however much it frustrates us, these days managers don't get to dictate buying policy and I just don't see Ashley compromising at all. It's going to fuck us over big time in the long run, we'll go back to having a team of random bargain parts instead of a well organised squad which understands how to implement a game plan devised by a manager who knows exactly what he wants. I think Rafa wants to dictate buying policy at Newcastle because there is no structure there. At LFC we have Edwards (our DOF + main scout), Gordon (finance guy), and Klopp. Gordon gets the total budget from the owners. Klopp makes the list of requirements and type of players available to Edwards. Edwards scouts and creates a list with ranking and value. Then the three of them get together and make decisions on the players depending on Klopps needs, budget, value, and price of each player. Rafa would be absolutely fine with such a system. Problem is that under Ashley there has been no coherent purchasing strategy which is aimed at helping Newcastle compete at the highest level. Add to that his history of screwing people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Got to get the man signed on and allow him to build this club up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Thank you for everything, sir. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 He's on talksport now been a canny interview Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Rafa doesn't want complete control of the club football wise as I've seen some say (may have misread something so apologises if i have). He wants the training ground improved, and the ability to sign players he wants, not players lower on his list because his first choice is 28 years old. He seems quite willing to work within a set budget but they want too much say in the age of the players he wants to sign. Yet again their collective brains are in their arses, let Rafa sign who he wants and more money will come in than buying a young player hoping he can be sold on. They're so thick. From what I read it seems he wants to know what budget he has to work with and have transfers done quicker which is reasonable, but he wants to spend the money as he sees fit and if that means spending it all on players over 30 years old then he feels his decisions shouldn't be questioned. Ashley is probably the extreme case, but not many owners will give managers that sort of control these days. I do think the club has to compromise though to allow some experienced players be signed and getting Rondon makes sense as he has proven to be quality this season. I agree with a lot of the demands Benitez has asked from the club, but its just not realistic to expect Ashley or even other clubs to give the kind of control he wants from transfers even managers at Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea have to work under directors of football or transfer committees. I do agree with this however much it frustrates us, these days managers don't get to dictate buying policy and I just don't see Ashley compromising at all. It's going to fuck us over big time in the long run, we'll go back to having a team of random bargain parts instead of a well organised squad which understands how to implement a game plan devised by a manager who knows exactly what he wants. I think Rafa wants to dictate buying policy at Newcastle because there is no structure there. At LFC we have Edwards (our DOF + main scout), Gordon (finance guy), and Klopp. Gordon gets the total budget from the owners. Klopp makes the list of requirements and type of players available to Edwards. Edwards scouts and creates a list with ranking and value. Then the three of them get together and make decisions on the players depending on Klopps needs, budget, value, and price of each player. Rafa would be absolutely fine with such a system. Problem is that under Ashley there has been no coherent purchasing strategy which is aimed at helping Newcastle compete at the highest level. Add to that his history of screwing people. The thing with us though is that we have had similar structures, but what happens is that Charnley looks at the list, organises it from price (cheapest) and doesn’t go past a certain point. They will look at Perez who was signed for something like £2m and is doing well now and think that players like him can still be found for around that price. The thing is though Perez was basically a unique situation where the club pretty much had to sell him cheaply. These days there is no La Liga club going to sell a player to a Premier League club for that much now, and we know that because we sold a young player from our academy to Everton for £6m (who had never played for us), and even MLS teams are not prepared to sell their stars cheaply now, look at Almirón. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 He's on talksport now been a canny interview Aye, listening to it now. Pretty much sounds like he’s going though. It’s just those cunts above, everything else is great, just those cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 His language has become far more direct in terms of saying the club have no ambition. Ball is firmly in the clubs court now. What else can he do or say? Imagine a situation where a world class manager wants to stay here long term and the club somehow treat this as a bad thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 So Charnley says the money is there and Rafa says "show me the money"...........................I reckon that Charnley is telling fibs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 So Charnley says the money is there and Rafa says "show me the money"...........................I reckon that Charnley is telling fibs You don't say of course hes fucking lying hes a patsy for the market trading bully boy. He probably has his wife wear a mike mask when she fucks him in the arse Rafa is moving to defcon 4 with them comments its pretty plain to see that Liverpool game will be the last time hes seen at SJP. These utter fuckwits upstairs will never budge on their ridiculous operating policies and way of thinking Will be very interesting to see who comes in next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 So Charnley says the money is there and Rafa says "show me the money"...........................I reckon that Charnley is telling fibs Charnley has said there is £50m there to sign players and no other money for training ground or other improvements. That’s like telling your partner that they have £50 for the weekly shop, but the leaky roof isn’t getting fixed and the kids are allowed fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Did I hear right as well that he wasn't bothered about not being in control of transfers?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Gotta love a stifilism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Did I hear right as well that he wasn't bothered about not being in control of transfers?? I think it was more "Tell me what you want !!!!!6th - 10th - Avoid relegation ?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 So his contract ends in June not may as that website setup states. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Can someone sum up what that daft wanker Owen said? I'm in too good of a mood atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedder Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Did I hear right as well that he wasn't bothered about not being in control of transfers?? I heard that. He said it wasn't a problem, i.e. he's happy with his current level of control over transfers. It's the budgets and other issues he is concerned with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Did I hear right as well that he wasn't bothered about not being in control of transfers?? I seen it as more he doesn't take issue with the current level of control he has. Lejeune, Schar, Almiron etc all strike me as his own signings, don't think there's been much going on without his blessing. It's more a case of having the ambition to go out and make more signings of those quality throughout the team, and without having to do it all on a shoestring budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 He was emphasising how important the signing of Dubravka was last season despite him being late 20s. Same with Rondon and Fernandez this season, despite their ages. He wants a balance of old and young players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 "We are not competing, and we have to compete." Someone needs to tell him we’ve won the most points outside the Big 6 clubs in the last 27 Premier League games More than big spenders West Ham, Everton and Wolves. Being best of the rest in the last 27 Premier League games suggests he could build onto it to be best of the rest over 38 games next season with not even that much investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 How many of these total bargains can he possibly find though? Also there’s going to be clubs sniffing around a few of our players this summer. Schär will have suitors, as will Ayoze. Lejeune might not come back the force he is/was.. there’s a shit load of work to do this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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