Tribesman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 What the fuck PSG? VAR has made the Champions League interesting again this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 of the last 8 could be English. Good chance of an all English quarter final? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Need to get those suitcase wrapping machines you see at airports for the back 4, failing that, saw their arms off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Need to get those suitcase wrapping machines you see at airports for the back 4, failing that, saw their arms off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Of course they are but if it’s a handball then it’s a pen. What’s the difference between that and making an attempt to win the ball with a slide tackle but missing the ball? There's a huge difference ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Would love Man U v Man C or Liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribesman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Not a good night for VAR. VAR is not working how I wanted, but I still feel technology is the way forward to correct bad decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Man Utd Porto Tottenham Ajax Barcelona Liverpool/Bayern Man City Atletico Madrid Actually think Atletico can do it this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Of course they are but if it’s a handball then it’s a pen. What’s the difference between that and making an attempt to win the ball with a slide tackle but missing the ball? There's a huge difference ffs Why? When you make a tackle you’re making a genuine attempt to win the ball knowing if you miss, you’re conceding a penalty. If you’re jumping in the air to block a shot and you move your arms out and it stops an attempt on target, why should that not be a pen too? The vast majority of fouls aren’t deliberate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Not a good night for VAR. VAR is not working how I wanted, but I still feel technology is the way forward to correct bad decisions. Absolutely and I don't think it's the systems' fault if referees are clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I know they're changing the rule anyway but handball is a massive issue like, can't go on like this with VAR. I'd give an indirect free kick for an unintentional handball in the box unless its stopping a certain goal where I'd give a penalty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Of course they are but if it’s a handball then it’s a pen. What’s the difference between that and making an attempt to win the ball with a slide tackle but missing the ball? There's a huge difference ffs Why? When you make a tackle you’re making a genuine attempt to win the ball knowing if you miss, you’re conceding a penalty. If you’re jumping in the air to block a shot and you move your arms out and it stops an attempt on target, why should that not be a pen too? The vast majority of fouls aren’t deliberate. The rules don't say fouls have to be deliberate though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribesman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 of the last 8 could be English. Good chance of an all English quarter final? I have a feeling its going to be Man United vs Spurs in the quarter finals of the Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I know they're changing the rule anyway but handball is a massive issue like, can't go on like this with VAR. I'd give an indirect free kick for an unintentional handball in the box unless its stopping a certain goal where I'd give a penalty Something has to be done about it and your suggestion would be a lot better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribesman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Of course they are but if it’s a handball then it’s a pen. What’s the difference between that and making an attempt to win the ball with a slide tackle but missing the ball? There's a huge difference ffs Why? When you make a tackle you’re making a genuine attempt to win the ball knowing if you miss, you’re conceding a penalty. If you’re jumping in the air to block a shot and you move your arms out and it stops an attempt on target, why should that not be a pen too? The vast majority of fouls aren’t deliberate. The rules don't say fouls have to be deliberate though. If thats the case then didn't the referee make the right call to give Man United the penalty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackandWhite Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Fouls general don’t have to be deliberate, that is why you have the ‘careless’ category for example, but handball does have to be a deliberate handball. A player throwing his body toward the ball to block a shot, and it accidentaly hits his arm on the way which is down by his side, that is not a foul. But the handball rule is one of those ‘rules’ in the book that is not really a rule but a principle. There is no clear definition of what is deliberate handball. Only guidelines. That is why it causes so much controversy. Because it is completely open to opinion and interpretation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Fouls general don’t have to be deliberate, that is why you have the ‘careless’ category for example, but handball does have to be a deliberate handball. A player throwing his body toward the ball to block a shot, and it accidentaly hits his arm on the way which is down by his side, that is not a foul. But the handball rule is one of those ‘rules’ in the book that is not really a rule but a principle. There is no clear definition of what is deliberate handball. Only guidelines. That is why it causes so much controversy. Because it is completely open to opinion and interpretation. Yeap. What is an unnatural position? Because that one tonight wasn't unnatural for someone just looking to block a shot. If his arm was way out or above his head then I'd say it was unnatural. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Considering the context, possibly the worst decision I've ever seen. It's not on target, his hands are in a natural position and his neck is to the ball. Incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Of course they are but if it’s a handball then it’s a pen. What’s the difference between that and making an attempt to win the ball with a slide tackle but missing the ball? There's a huge difference ffs Why? When you make a tackle you’re making a genuine attempt to win the ball knowing if you miss, you’re conceding a penalty. If you’re jumping in the air to block a shot and you move your arms out and it stops an attempt on target, why should that not be a pen too? The vast majority of fouls aren’t deliberate. The rules don't say fouls have to be deliberate though. If thats the case then didn't the referee make the right call to give Man United the penalty? Deliberate handball is the rule, so no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Of course they are but if it’s a handball then it’s a pen. What’s the difference between that and making an attempt to win the ball with a slide tackle but missing the ball? There's a huge difference ffs Why? When you make a tackle you’re making a genuine attempt to win the ball knowing if you miss, you’re conceding a penalty. If you’re jumping in the air to block a shot and you move your arms out and it stops an attempt on target, why should that not be a pen too? The vast majority of fouls aren’t deliberate. The rules don't say fouls have to be deliberate though. If thats the case then didn't the referee make the right call to give Man United the penalty? Deliberate handball is the rule, so no Or unnatural position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Fouls general don’t have to be deliberate, that is why you have the ‘careless’ category for example, but handball does have to be a deliberate handball. A player throwing his body toward the ball to block a shot, and it accidentaly hits his arm on the way which is down by his side, that is not a foul. But the handball rule is one of those ‘rules’ in the book that is not really a rule but a principle. There is no clear definition of what is deliberate handball. Only guidelines. That is why it causes so much controversy. Because it is completely open to opinion and interpretation. Yeap. What is an unnatural position? Because that one tonight wasn't unnatural for someone just looking to block a shot. If his arm was way out or above his head then I'd say it was unnatural. If you watch the replay, his first movement is his arm out, then he jumps. I don’t think that’s natural at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Not a good night for VAR. VAR is not working how I wanted, but I still feel technology is the way forward to correct bad decisions. in theory if the laws of the game were very clear and defined it would work but theres so much subjectivity in decisions like that or spurs pen at the weekend that I don't think it improves decisions in a meaningful enough manner to warrant the disruption to games it has. Also the idiots making the decisions before are the same idiots making the decisions in the end with var Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribesman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Baffling to me that people think that should be a penalty. Defenders getting penalized for blocking shots now. I mean I'd understand if he was flailing with his arm like a maniac. But I'm not sure what else he can do other than run around with his arm stuck to his body. He’s jumped with his back towards the ball making himself bigger, seemingly not giving a f*** if it hit his arm. Defenders have hidden behind that for years, no hiding place now. What? So defender arnt allowed to attempt to block the ball with arguably the biggest part of there body? Of course they are but if it’s a handball then it’s a pen. What’s the difference between that and making an attempt to win the ball with a slide tackle but missing the ball? There's a huge difference ffs Why? When you make a tackle you’re making a genuine attempt to win the ball knowing if you miss, you’re conceding a penalty. If you’re jumping in the air to block a shot and you move your arms out and it stops an attempt on target, why should that not be a pen too? The vast majority of fouls aren’t deliberate. The rules don't say fouls have to be deliberate though. If thats the case then didn't the referee make the right call to give Man United the penalty? Deliberate handball is the rule, so no That's fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 There's nothing about "unnatural position" in the rules at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Both arms start the same, he moves his right arm out, jumps and his left arm goes up. I’d have thought a natural position would be both arms going up as he’s jumping in order to jump higher. The defender in this instance keeps the right arm low-ish after seeing the direction of the shot. More a pen the more I watch the replays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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