Wullie Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 VAR is fine in Germany and Italy, isnt it? Don't see any fans from those places saying they have to get rid of it Pretty unpopular from what I hear on various podcasts. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-italy-referees/serie-a-coaches-angry-and-baffled-over-var-decisions-idUKKBN1FI1HI https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/var-has-not-been-an-overwhelming-success-in-the-bundesliga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Should only use it for facts. Clearly offside. Inside or outside box. Fouls are subjective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 VAR is fine in Germany and Italy, isnt it? Don't see any fans from those places saying they have to get rid of it Pretty unpopular from what I hear on various podcasts. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-italy-referees/serie-a-coaches-angry-and-baffled-over-var-decisions-idUKKBN1FI1HI https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/var-has-not-been-an-overwhelming-success-in-the-bundesliga Fair enough. All I've seen is people on reddit saying it's fine and a success on the whole This was one about Italy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I just can't be having VAR - it will ruin football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 You can't be doing that man How much time has to pass before you can't retrospectively change a decision? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just to be a contrarian bastard instead of all this stopping loads of play for VAR mid match just embrace this, get to the end of the half, ref then watches any missed pens, gives players any red cards should have happened and have a few pens for each time for every missed foul. Half time will be 10x as exciting. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 You can't be doing that man How much time has to pass before you can't retrospectively change a decision? Weeks if you're juventus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 is that even allowed in the bloody rules? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Am up for VAR, but it is being applied in the wrong way. It should only be used on goals and when penalties are given, or for cases of mistaken identity on red cards. If a penalty isn't given on the field then tough. That's the ref's call and he shouldn't be allowed to go to VAR to help him. When a goal is scored, the VAR ref should immediately it review it for obvious offsides, handballs etc, and communicate back if there is any reason to disallow it. If the offside is tight then let it go. The rule even allows for that. I would expect Aguero's header against us a couple of years ago to be disallowed for example as it was clearly off. Watford's equaliser against Southampton this year would have been cancelled out too (for handball). You'll get fans celebrating goals which are overturned but it will be a couple a season and I think it's more important to get the decision right where a significant error has occurred. Each review would therefore take place in a natural break in play, but they do need to rethink the speed of review and comms with the fans during the review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 How far in the build-up would you go back in order to rule out a goal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 How far in the build-up would you go back in order to rule out a goal? I'd only call handball when it's a hand that puts it in the net and missed by the ref, so that only leaves offsides. For me it would be any pass in the phase of play leading up to the goal, bearing in mind I'd only call obvious offsides. Anything where it is a foot here or a knee there then it goes with the onfield decision. However, in saying that, if the powers that be declared it to be the final ball only and the goalscorer themselves has to be obviously off to recall it, I'd go with that. As long as it is consistent. What they are trying to do is remove every mistake which isn't feasible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I just don't see how checking on (say) a final ball offside would deliver the right outcome if you ignored (for example) a foul in the build-up. I guess it's a step forward in a way, but it really just moves the debate and controversy to something else. I can see a very weird game, with no real goal celebrations, developing. Where everyone is waiting a minute to see if they've scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just to be a contrarian bastard instead of all this stopping loads of play for VAR mid match just embrace this, get to the end of the half, ref then watches any missed pens, gives players any red cards should have happened and have a few pens for each time for every missed foul. Half time will be 10x as exciting. :lol: Better than cheerleaders, or fans trying to chip a ball into a bucket wearing brogues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I just don't see how checking on (say) a final ball offside would deliver the right outcome if you ignored (for example) a foul in the build-up. I guess it's a step forward in a way, but it really just moves the debate and controversy to something else. I can see a very weird game, with no real goal celebrations, developing. Where everyone is waiting a minute to see if they've scored. I take your point, but the numbers of goals it would actually rule out would be tiny, around 2-3%. Once you got used to it goals would still be celebrated. Another option is of course to give each team one or two VAR challenges a game and not allow the VAR ref to intercede unless a challenge is raised. That would cover the real injustices, although on the flip side you could see teams using them tactically like substitutions to disrupt play. Maybe one each would be sufficient? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 i would really like them to think and do a trial for a Challenge system. say 3 challenges per team in a whole match or each half. if a team puts in a challenge over a decision they feel is wrong, VAR is used. That would stop referees or even those numbskulls in a studio miles away interrupting with play at their own will. Edit: Just read Elma's post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Challenges would be absolutely shite. Teams would just do it to slow the game down and waste time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 If we’re talking about 2% of decisions being incorrect, 6 ‘challenges’ per match sounds ridiculously over the top. Challenges at all wouldn’t work anyway, as they would be used tactically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 If the objective is to get the most important decisions right, I don't think the power should be given to anyone who's not impartial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Weird how giving more power to already incompetent referees doesn't fix the sport, fuck it off immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I'd rather just back referees TBH, get players to stop cheating so much would help as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Why can't they just stick a screen on the refs arm? He presses a button and it plays back the last 10 seconds in slow-mo. There's really no need for this to be done off the pitch. It's fucking stupid anyway, just play the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Doesn't seem half as shit in rugby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Doesn't seem half as shit in rugby. people know what's going on when it goes to the TMO in rugby, ref's fully mic'd up and you can hear what he's looking for the tv ref to look for, whereas the current implementation has nobody but the ref and his asssistants know what the fuck he's looking for and god help you if your at the stadium and want to know whats going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Doesn't seem half as shit in rugby. people know what's going on when it goes to the TMO in rugby, ref's fully mic'd up and you can hear what he's looking for the tv ref to look for, whereas the current implementation has nobody but the ref and his asssistants know what the fuck he's looking for and god help you if your at the stadium and want to know whats going on Rugby is also a very stop start game and football is totally the wrong sport to implement video referees. It’d be like stopping the F1 to check something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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