Mikky Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 http://global.espn.com/football/fifa-world-cup/4/blog/post/3538471/argentinas-world-cup-struggles-not-surprising-given-the-sides-widespread-problemslack-of-direction Good read Argentina have definitely paid the price for the failure of their youth teams - they are so fundemental to their "success" Sampouli was just a wrong choice altogether Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I still can't get how bad that starting line-up was and the tactics to go with it. I was surprised that Lamela didn’t get the call-up, but figured they had a plan that he just didn’t fit into. Turns out they didn’t. Not that he’s great, but he puts himself about, takes people on, and gives a shit. They could have done worse, and did. Good shout re Lamela - him and Lanzini in that XI could have made a difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I still can't get how bad that starting line-up was and the tactics to go with it. I was surprised that Lamela didn’t get the call-up, but figured they had a plan that he just didn’t fit into. Turns out they didn’t. Not that he’s great, but he puts himself about, takes people on, and gives a shit. They could have done worse, and did. Good shout re Lamela - him and Lanzini in that XI could have made a difference Would had made a difference, but they were absolutely desperate for a CM. Still can't believe Banega didn't play yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I thought it was a mistake to drop Di Maria. He was poor against Iceland but bar Messi he's been their best attacking player over the last 5 years. He also gives an outlet for Messi on the wing all the time and works hard. In the last qualifier where Messi scored a hat trick Di Maria was the one supporting Messi and set up his first goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 https://twitter.com/JuanG_Arango/status/1010002102330904577 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Don't think anyone expects Argentina to go through no matter what happens in the other game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 They're in meltdown. Then again, take away a few strikers and you'll see a very poor set of individuals. The imbalance is incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Going to be a bleak 5-10 years for Argentine football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Would probably better to play Messi in an Iniesta role in a 4-3-3? With Di Maria-Higuain-Dybala/Aguero up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 There is still hope for Argentina tbh mostly because of the quality of Croatia (even with a second team) and the fact that Iceland and Nigeria could now go in all sorts of directions. In a way it isn’t fair that group games are on different days as it allows teams to adjust their mindsets accordingly. They need to find a new role for Messi though as it isn’t working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Oh my goodness ... I can't wait for the match to just come and go. Well, I guess if we are persisting with those two clowns, at least it will be while playing a different shape. Maybe that will somehow work, though I won't be holding my breath. I am so desperate for some unpredictability and pace though. Just play Musa and Kelechi for goodness sake. It's right there for the taking. So now the gist is that Rohr (our manager) was upset with previous lineups leaking out and and is having the ITK media put out fake news. Apparently, Musa and Iheanacho start now and Moses is at wingback, unless this is even later fake news. I am happy with that, if true. SE will have to take the chances they create today and avoid giving away silly set pieces at all costs. I don't think this is particularly important unless Iceland and Nigeria draw. Sure they will rest players that need it, but they are highly incentivised to win the group. Would you rather face France or Denmark/Australia? I'm not happy about all of this Argentina news of mutiny and chaos in the camp. I would much rather play them while they were internally imploding rather then play a team of angry world-class players after the implosion has already happened. They will be very dangerous, still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 In the first round of games Messi was the the player who ran the shortest distance of all players in the tournament. Neesy you twist words and think that some on here think that he should run around like a headless chicken and win the ball back and all that, but thats not what i think he should do. He plays with lesser players and he doesnt get the ball all the time and the tactics are less than good. However, if he took more responsibility and had better movement and showed himself for the ball more often then he would at least see more of the ball, and even if he doesnt get it as often as he should he would definitely see more of the ball, and even if things dont come off he would drag players attention and give his team mates more space. You mentioned something like "you expect him to magically get the ball to his feet" and that is absolute horse shit from you. I 100% agree that Argentina aren't the same as Barcelona, but nothing can convince me that Messi cant take more responsibility and do a little bit more in the national team, even if it might not always work out. He is so talented that he easily could pop up with more in the last third, but he doesnt have the same players around him so he needs to be more on his toes, because the ball wont "suddenly teleport" to him. Personally i think Messi is the best in the world, but to some he just cant do any more than he does. The pressure is crazy massive on him in a WC, but he can do more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixx Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 In the first round of games Messi was the the player who ran the shortest distance of all players in the tournament. Neesy you twist words and think that some on here think that he should run around like a headless chicken and win the ball back and all that, but thats not what i think he should do. He plays with lesser players and he doesnt get the ball all the time and the tactics are less than good. However, if he took more responsibility and had better movement and showed himself for the ball more often then he would at least see more of the ball, and even if he doesnt get it as often as he should he would definitely see more of the ball, and even if things dont come off he would drag players attention and give his team mates more space. You mentioned something like "you expect him to magically get the ball to his feet" and that is absolute horse shit from you. I 100% agree that Argentina aren't the same as Barcelona, but nothing can convince me that Messi cant take more responsibility and do a little bit more in the national team, even if it might not always work out. He is so talented that he easily could pop up with more in the last third, but he doesnt have the same players around him so he needs to be more on his toes, because the ball wont "suddenly teleport" to him. Personally i think Messi is the best in the world, but to some he just cant do any more than he does. The pressure is crazy massive on him in a WC, but he can do more. Absolutely. Messi is the best player in history but he did very, very little in terms of running into space, closing down, making himself available and stretching Croatia's defence. And the stats back that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Aye it's like Criticising Ronaldo for not doing all the stuff he used to as well. Also I'm not particularly convinced him trying to stretch the defence would helped considering they struggled to even get past Modric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 He hasn't done that for absolutely ages. He conserves his energy until he gets on the ball, that's just how he plays. All I saw in those posts was 'I don't watch Messi' really. When nothings on - conserve energy. When something's on - nigh on always go for the killer run into space/pass/dribble/shot. He been like that for years now and it's always reaped the benefits. Messi dragged them here in the first place. It seems unbelievably unfair to single out the player that got them here for not magically continuing to save them. He dragged them through the group stage of WC'14 as well, but this lot are irredeemable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Two teams in good form in this game Nigeria - LLLDL Iceland - DDLLL 3-3 thriller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Let's just hope Twat face Sugar isn't watching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Wait, last time I said 3-3, it was.. putting a fucking bet on this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Nigeria is a terrible team. If ever there was a winning chance for Iceland, this is it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Kelechi starts, Iceland have no chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Team Iceland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Aye me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Aye me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixx Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 So nervous. Stroke incoming any minute now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 radged strip time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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