Sean Longstaff

[Rod]

2 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

Had a look at this thread at 8am this morning before we boulled out skiing. 

Started typing "good to see now Miggy's gone there's another whipping boy on the conveyor belt" but didn't bother. 

Even read some wanker suggest Longstaff doesn't even try man 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

Honestly, have your opinions. Crack on. I've got mine and there's some absolute howlers in our ranks. 

Sean Longstaff is a decent enough player. Played a big part in finishing 4th. Played a big part in our, short lived, CL campaign. ISN'T Tonali and Bruno level. According to Eddie, on selection alone, isn't even Joelinton, Miley and Willock level so 6th choice. 

Tbf, he probably needs to go and get 1st team football elsewhere and then you lot can move onto the next poor sap. 

Dan Burn gets loads of stick on here and he's been nothing short of brilliant so far this season.

[Fak]

2 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

Had a look at this thread at 8am this morning before we boulled out skiing. 

Started typing "good to see now Miggy's gone there's another whipping boy on the conveyor belt" but didn't bother. 

Even read some wanker suggest Longstaff doesn't even try man 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

Honestly, have your opinions. Crack on. I've got mine and there's some absolute howlers in our ranks. 

Sean Longstaff is a decent enough player. Played a big part in finishing 4th. Played a big part in our, short lived, CL campaign. ISN'T Tonali and Bruno level. According to Eddie, on selection alone, isn't even Joelinton, Miley and Willock level so 6th choice. 

Tbf, he probably needs to go and get 1st team football elsewhere and then you lot can move onto the next poor sap. 

ooh look at me everyone I’m on holiday skiing. 

[Myleftboot]

3 hours ago, Fak said:

ooh look at me everyone I’m on holiday skiing. 

[Toon1892]

Played well against Birmingham. Two assists and they struggled to deal with him when he got near the byline. Gave the ball away twice which I know the majority of fans will get excited about but the two important assists make up for that.

[Alberto2005]

8 minutes ago, Toon1892 said:

Played well against Birmingham. Two assists and they struggled to deal with him when he got near the byline. Gave the ball away twice which I know the majority of fans will get excited about but the two important assists make up for that.

This must be a windup 🤣

[TheBrownBottle]

Perfectly capable PL midfielder - his greatest weakness was always the time he takes on the ball.  This isn't laziness, more a slowness in decision-making - it is what stops him from being a really good PL midfielder.

 

I'm happy he's here as a squad midfielder - he's not as good as Bruno or Tonali; but at the moment very few are.

 

It would cost us 20m+ to bring in a replacement of guaranteed similar PL capability - and he's one of us (and a HG player).  Why the urge to get rid?  If the lad is happy to stay, then unless we get an unrefusable offer then we should embrace him.

[Toon1892]

1 hour ago, Alberto2005 said:

This must be a windup 🤣

No. He was effective at getting us through to the next round by getting two assists. Why does that wind you up? Bizarre.

[Maggies]

Definitely a confidence player.

 

I think he still has a role to play in the squad where you need someone for last 20 minutes to run around a bit. Unfortunately he’s not technically strong enough for where we want to get to.

 

Feels like we have higher priorities to sort out this summer rather than Longstaff replacement, unless a decent bid for him comes in.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Perfectly capable PL midfielder - his greatest weakness was always the time he takes on the ball.  This isn't laziness, more a slowness in decision-making - it is what stops him from being a really good PL midfielder.

 

I'm happy he's here as a squad midfielder - he's not as good as Bruno or Tonali; but at the moment very few are.

 

It would cost us 20m+ to bring in a replacement of guaranteed similar PL capability - and he's one of us (and a HG player).  Why the urge to get rid?  If the lad is happy to stay, then unless we get an unrefusable offer then we should embrace him.

He’s not perfectly capable, he’s pretty low quality. But I agree with the rest. If it was up to me I would probably sell, but I understand the argument for keeping him. 
 

I would ideally like someone really experienced if Trippier leaves, like Wolves did with Moutinho. But I’m guessing we won’t be thinking like that. 

[toon25]

14 hours ago, Fak said:

ooh look at me everyone I’m on holiday skiing. 

Hope he loses a ski 

[Kid Icarus]

I could live with him coming in and doing a job if he fixed either the dawdling or the passing accuracy, but ideally both. They stick out like a sore thumb now, but even then they weren't really problems that he had a couple of years ago.

[christ]

The problem Longstaff has is that you don’t notice him when he’s playing well. He doesn’t have the same levels to his game that Bruno and Tonali have, he’s never going to be a highlight reel player. But when he’s on it he really helps hang the midfield together by being the person who does the

unsexy stuff.

 

The flip side of that is that when he has a shitter it’s really obvious. Not only is he crap, but we’re usually getting battered too.

 

I’ve no idea why a local lad who has played a pivotal role in the progress of this club over the last few years gets so much hate. But then there’s a huge amount I don’t understand about some of the entitled fuckers that ‘support’ us.

[Alberto2005]

26 minutes ago, Toon1892 said:

No. He was effective at getting us through to the next round by getting two assists. Why does that wind you up? Bizarre.

Because he didn't get two assists.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I guess some people don’t think his role was pivotal. 
 

Need to say regularly though, I like how much he cares and tries. Maybe too much sometimes. He just can’t play football very well sadly. 

[STM]

His biggest weakness is his mental strength, you can see it in his body language, he's got imposter syndrome.

 

He does all the easily teachable parts of the game really well, it's the bits where you need real technical quality which lets him down.

 

When he has a run of games, he's a much better player but I really hope he never has that run of games because the team will suffer, which is a bit of a problem for him.

 

Provided he's 5th/6th choice, I'm ok with him being here but will he be OK with that? And if he is, isn't that the problem entirely?

[TRon]

18 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He’s not perfectly capable, he’s pretty low quality. But I agree with the rest. If it was up to me I would probably sell, but I understand the argument for keeping him. 
 

I would ideally like someone really experienced if Trippier leaves, like Wolves did with Moutinho. But I’m guessing we won’t be thinking like that. 

 

The perfectly capable squad player would work without PSR. Then we could keep players like Longstaff around and give them games now and then where we felt they could contribute to a result.

 

The issue is, we don't have money to spend on players who will improve us. If you got £15m for Longstaff you could spend that on a young player with a much higher ceiling, whose value would appreciate.

 

That is where you have to weigh up the pros and cons of giving out new contracts to players whose value decreases every year.

[Newcastle Fan]

1 minute ago, STM said:

His biggest weakness is his mental strength, you can see it in his body language, he's got imposter syndrome.

 

He does all the easily teachable parts of the game really well, it's the bits where you need real technical quality which lets him down.

 

When he has a run of games, he's a much better player but I really hope he never has that run of games because the team will suffer, which is a bit of a problem for him.

 

Provided he's 5th/6th choice, I'm ok with him being here but will he be OK with that? And if he is, isn't that the problem entirely?

 

I agree with this, he seems like he's not sure he belong there even though he's played and scored in the Champions League last year, just wants to try and do the basics and be safe rather than stamp his authority and show he's a high level player.

 

Its a bit strange though as i remember watching his first few games with us and he was outstanding, and at times he was a key player for the team, its definitely a mental issue rather than a physical or technical one.

[STM]

Just now, Newcastle Fan said:

 

I agree with this, he seems like he's not sure he belong there even though he's played and scored in the Champions League last year, just wants to try and do the basics and be safe rather than stamp his authority and show he's a high level player.

 

Its a bit strange though as i remember watching his first few games with us and he was outstanding, and at times he was a key player for the team, its definitely a mental issue rather than a physical or technical one.

 

Aye, the kid that broke through had more authority than the one that's playing now.

 

Games like Saturday he should be the dominant player.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Newcastle Fan said:

 

I agree with this, he seems like he's not sure he belong there even though he's played and scored in the Champions League last year, just wants to try and do the basics and be safe rather than stamp his authority and show he's a high level player.

 

Its a bit strange though as i remember watching his first few games with us and he was outstanding, and at times he was a key player for the team, its definitely a mental issue rather than a physical or technical one.

 

 

Tbf, I think he was perfectly built for a Rafa Benitez side where you could sit back and then hit the spaces. It requires a lot less accuracy and invites less pressure when you are on the ball.

[TheBrownBottle]

36 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He’s not perfectly capable, he’s pretty low quality. But I agree with the rest. If it was up to me I would probably sell, but I understand the argument for keeping him. 
 

I would ideally like someone really experienced if Trippier leaves, like Wolves did with Moutinho. But I’m guessing we won’t be thinking like that. 

Yeah, I know where you’re coming - but I think if he goes he would join another PL club.  That’s what I mean by it - I’d be surprised if a bottom six/seven side wouldn’t take him. 

[KaKa]

He's nowhere near as bad as he has played the last two games against pretty limited opposition.

 

And that's what makes the whole thing so frustrating. 

 

He gets too down on himself and plays with fear. This leads to him dwelling on the ball because he's indecisive and second guessing himself, or he just starts playing it very safe every time, which invites pressure when we're trying to advance the ball.

 

He also then stats mis-controlling the ball, scuffing shots and going to ground looking for free kicks under minimal pressure.

 

It's so painful to watch man. Like someone already mentioned, his body language just looks so bad.

 

He needs a serious shift in his mindset/mentality, to overcome these things for himself.

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:03 by KaKa

[ponsaelius]

I like Longstaff and have defended him on here previously because I think he has generally contributed a lot for us under Eddie. I also think he's clearly a very nice and humble guy.

 

I'd have been happy for him to stay and be 5th/6th choice midfielder, particularly given how short we are on club grown players for Europe. However I think I've realised that he's actually not a very suitable squad player. He has generally done best for us when he's getting lots of gametime in a position where he knows his role and can build up confidence and momentum.

 

When he's dropped into random games now and again in slightly different roles, particularly in scratch sides, I think it really shines a light on his weaknesses technically on the ball - and that is then exacerbated further by his self confidence issues. This makes him probably a pretty bad squad player, unfortunately for him and for us.

 

I think I've become more frustrated with him given we had to sacrifice another HG player for PSR instead, who I think will have a much better career and actually is a really safe pair of hands to drop into various positions when needed.

 

This summer is the last chance you have to get a decent fee, so if it's there, definitely time to take it.

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:49 by ponsaelius

[Kanj]

4 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

I like Longstaff and have defended him on here previously because I think he has generally contributed a lot for us under Eddie. I also think he's clearly a very nice and humble guy.

 

I'd have been happy for him to stay and be 5th/6th choice midfielder, particularly given how short we are on club grown players for Europe. However I think I've realised that he's actually not a very suitable squad player. He has generally done best for us when he's getting lots of gametime in a position where he knows his role and can build up confidence and momentum.

 

When he's dropped into random games now and again in slightly different roles, particularly in scratch sides, I think it really shines a light on his weaknesses technically on the ball - and that is then exacerbated further by his self confidence issues. This makes him probably a pretty bad squad player, unfortunately for him and for us.

 

I think I've become more frustrated with him given we had to sacrifice another HG player for PSR instead, who I think will have a much better career and actually is a really safe pair of hands to drop into various positions when needed.

 

This summer is the last chance you have to get a decent fee, so if it's there, definitely time to take it.

 

 

 

 

Perfectly said. It would have been ideal to move on Longie over Anderson. 

[Groundhog63]

6 hours ago, KaKa said:

He's nowhere near as bad as he has played the last two games against pretty limited opposition.

 

And that's what makes the whole thing so frustrating. 

 

He gets too down on himself and plays with fear. This leads to him dwelling on the ball because he's indecisive and second guessing himself, or he just starts playing it very safe every time, which invites pressure when we're trying to advance the ball.

 

He also then stats mis-controlling the ball, scuffing shots and going to ground looking for free kicks under minimal pressure.

 

It's so painful to watch man. Like someone already mentioned, his body language just looks so bad.

 

He needs a serious shift in his mindset/mentality, to overcome these things for himself.

 

 

 

 

 

I know what'll help. Let's all slaughter the cunt online. 

[KaKa]

3 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

I know what'll help. Let's all slaughter the cunt online. 

 

Good luck policing everyone online to stop that happening.

 

No footballer escapes this, absolutely none. 

 

Becoming a footballer isn't a must and so going into it it's one of the unsavoury parts you have to deal with.

 

There are also on the flip side many benefits.