Sean Longstaff

[mondonewc]

8 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

Need 5 midfielders for every single game, a) to influence games with substitutions b) otherwise the starting 3 end up shattered by the end of the season. This season really showed how much the team needs more quality coming off the bench at a level above both Willock and Longstaff.

 

If he wants to go to play elsewhere then I’d thank him and say fair enough. If he stays I think he will contribute next season as a backup in domestic cups and certain league games. I don’t feel the match day fans are as hard on him as the very online fans. I hope he never reads this forum!

We are talking specifically about CL games though since of course if he's sold he'll be replaced. 

[Rich]

33 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

 

Hall hasn't been here long enough to be on the B list for what it's worth, he'd have to be named.

Ah. I thought it was two years concurrent for UEFA, which he now has, but guessing he was still registered as a Chelsea player last season?

 

 

[midds]

Not sure I could cope mentally with turning up for work every day when it's been made pretty clear that I'd not be needed/wanted/used or whatever. I know that's a bit dramatic and no-one would be sly with him but the whole squad would know he's only there because he is sitting on a contract and content to watch other people play football. That would destroy me I think, I'd be looking to leave on good terms, find another club and drop down a division if need be.

 

He's got every right to sit on his contract btw, he's fully entitled to but I couldn't look people in the eye knowing that they'd rather I wasn't there  

[Shak]

10 minutes ago, midds said:

Not sure I could cope mentally with turning up for work every day when it's been made pretty clear that I'd not be needed/wanted/used or whatever. I know that's a bit dramatic and no-one would be sly with him but the whole squad would know he's only there because he is sitting on a contract and content to watch other people play football. That would destroy me I think, I'd be looking to leave on good terms, find another club and drop down a division if need be.

 

He's got every right to sit on his contract btw, he's fully entitled to but I couldn't look people in the eye knowing that they'd rather I wasn't there  

Like a modern day Steve Harper?

[midds]

36 minutes ago, Shak said:

Like a modern day Steve Harper?

Similar. I think Harper had more use to the club back then than Longstaff does now though

[WilliamPS]

56 minutes ago, midds said:

Not sure I could cope mentally with turning up for work every day when it's been made pretty clear that I'd not be needed/wanted/used or whatever. I know that's a bit dramatic and no-one would be sly with him but the whole squad would know he's only there because he is sitting on a contract and content to watch other people play football. That would destroy me I think, I'd be looking to leave on good terms, find another club and drop down a division if need be.

 

He's got every right to sit on his contract btw, he's fully entitled to but I couldn't look people in the eye knowing that they'd rather I wasn't there  

What if you were getting 40,000 pounds per week to do it? I think I’d imagine it like 

[midds]

3 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

What if you were getting 40,000 pounds per week to do it? I think I’d imagine it like 

I highly doubt he'd move to another team and play for free 

 

At his age he needs to be playing as much as he can for as long as he can. If he's content to just train each day and collect the £40k a week then that's up to him, his decision, his priorities tbh

[Sibierski]

2 hours ago, SteV said:

How many players do we actually currently have that require registering on List A?

 

I make it 24. Out of those 24 you can most likely strike off Wilson. So 23.

 

Only 3 of current 5 keepers would (realistically) be getting registered, so 21.

 

Let’s assume we sign five new first team players, and sell Longstaff. We’d only be able to register a List A squad of 21. So I’d probably leave out:

 

Targett

Lascelles

Kraft 

Osula (assuming one of the new signings is a central striker)

 

All very hypothetical obviously, but hardly the end of the world that would necessitate Longstaff staying.

 

 

 

 

 

Wouldn't Osula count as English U21 and not require registering?

[McCormick]

He’s Danish.

[Sibierski]

Require registering: 

Pope, New GK, Ruddy, Tino, Trippier, Schar, New CB, Botman, Burn, New FB, Bruno, Joelinton, Willock, New CM, Tonali, Gordon, Barnes, Isak, Murphy, New ST, New RW 

 

8 English slots all covered.

 

Not registered but will be part of squad:

Hall, Osula, Miley

 

Not registered as you want them gone / extreme back up for league and domestic cups:

Vlac, Targett, Ashby, Krafth, Lascelles, Longstaff, Targett, Wilson

 

If that is the situation, it shows where we can sign players. Don't get FB for example, Targett moves into registering. But if we're honest, it's those players we need to move on and get new players in.

 

Edit: That new FB/CM/ST could be English u21 that doesn't require registering and we can register Krafth who's the emergency 5th CB. Longstaff can also be registered as HG and have no impact on rest of slots if needed.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 13:01 by Sibierski

[Sibierski]

5 minutes ago, McCormick said:

He’s Danish.

 

Doesn't matter, he's been in UK since 2018 so will count as English grown for European purposes. Just I can't remember if his age is still within u21 cut off?

 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:56 by Sibierski

[McCormick]

Oh right. No idea then

[SteV]

19 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

 

Wouldn't Osula count as English U21 and not require registering?

Hasn’t been at the club long enough regardless. See @ponsaelius explanation as to why Hall would also need registering.

[ponsaelius]

The U21 homegrown rule is only simple for the PL. You can have as many U21 players as you want regardless of where they're from or when you signed them.

 

In Europe however for the the B list the player also has to have played for the club for at least two consecutive years or three years with one loan away:

 

https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-Champions-League-2025/26/Article-31-Player-lists-Online

 

So I'm not 100% sure on Hall. I think regardless of whether his loan from Chelsea counts towards those two years he won't have been here for a full two years when it comes to naming him in the squad. 

 

Osula definitely won't, as he'll have only been here 12 months.

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 13:09 by ponsaelius

[TRon]

2 hours ago, jcat said:

I like Longstaff. But the last thing he needs is another season sitting on the bench. 
 

 

Depends if he's happy with it. I always got the feeling he'd rather sit on the bench at Newcastle than move away for first team football somewhere else. 

[ponsaelius]

For the A list of your 25 you must have 8 home grown players of which 4 must be association trained (we have plenty of these, see below) and 4 must be club trained (currently just Longstaff). If you don't have them then you have to leave a space empty. 

 

So for drafting sakes at the moment if we say Wilson is definitely going and we make two outfield signings as expected we'd be able to name an A list of 21+1 of something like this:

 

1. Pope (AT)

2.Dubravka

3. Ruddy/Gillespie (AT)

4. Trippier (AT)

5. Livramento (AT)

6. Schar

7. Botman

8. Burn (AT)

9. Krafth

10. Hall (AT)

11. Willock (AT)

12. Bruno 

13. Tonali 

14. Joelinton

15. Murphy (AT)

16. Barnes (AT)

17. Gordon (AT)

18. Osula (AT)

19. Isak

20. New CB

21. New RW

 

22. Longstaff (CT)

22. Empty (CT)

24. Empty (CT)

25. Empty (CT)

 

With Targett, Vlach and one of Ruddy/Gillespie left out.

 

Miley would be on the B list along with other youngsters that have been here longer than 24 months. So he effectively makes it 23 first teamers and is a bonus player too. As I say I'm not 100% sure if Hall will have been here two years, he might be able to to into this list too and free up a space.

 

If Longstaff goes, you can't just replace him as he's effectively filling one of those 'bonus' CG slots if you want to look at it that way. You'd have to take somebody else out of that first 21 to make room. 

 

This is where a CG third choice keeper would be useful, as you can put them into one of the CG slots given they'll never play anyway and then that frees up a space in the other 21.

[ponsaelius]

It's worth noting that you also only need to name two keepers in the A list if you want, as long as there's a third on the youth B list. I have no idea who our current youth keeper is but he could be your third choice keeper to free up an extra space too.

 

Overall based on the above I think the need for Longstaff purely for UEFA squad purposes is significantly overblown, given you can effectively name a 23 man squad anyway with Miley and a youth keeper.

[HawK]

Bear with me, this is my own maths/understanding of the below and may be wrong.

 

https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-Champions-League-2025/26/Article-30-Player-eligibility-Online

 

Definitions as per uefa.com :

 

• Locally trained player - is either a "club-trained player" or an "association-trained player".
• Association-trained player - An "association-trained player" is a player who, between the ages of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of the player's nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs affiliated to the same association as that of the player's current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant domestic championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant domestic championship) or of 36 months.
• Club trained player - is a player who, between the ages of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of the player's nationality and age, has been registered with the player's current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant domestic championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant domestic championship) or of 36 months.

My shorthand interpretation of the above :

• Association trained player is someone trained somewhere within the FA's jurisdiction for 3 years between the ages of 15 and 21 (quantity of loans/abroad can mess this up).
• Club trained player is someone who has trained at the club for 3 years between the ages of 15 and 21 (quantity of loans/abroad can mess this up).
• Locally trained player is someone who fits either of the above rules.

List A as per uefa.com article 31 :

• Max 25 players, of which 8 are reserved exclusively for locally trained players. No more than 4 of the locally trained players can be association trained.
• List A must specify the players who qualify as being "locally trained", as well as whether they are "club-trained" or "association-trained".
• If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players on its List A, the maximum number of players that can be registered on this list is reduced accordingly.

List B as per uefa.com article 31 :

• Unlimited in number
• A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 2004 and has, since his 15th birthday, been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.
• 31.13

Goalkeepers special rules as per uefa.com article 31 : Each club must include at least two goalkeepers on List A and at least three in total (List A and List B combined).

 

My shorthand understanding of all the above

• You submit 2 lists, A and B. You can field any players registered from either list. In theory if you have enough young players your squad could be unlimited in size.
• In List A, you get 17 spots that you can give to absolutely anyone, regardless of nationality, when you signed them etc.
• In List A, you can register up to 4 extra players on top of the 17 above that have trained at some club in England between the ages of 15-21 for 3 years (excluding loans to non-FA clubs, i.e. aborad)
• In List A, you can register a further 4 extra players on top of the 21 we're up to so far that are also club trained, meaning they've trained for 3 years at Newcastle United between 15-21, excluding loans to other clubs (even English-clubs, they have to have trained at Newcastle United as their main registered club for 3 of those years).
• You don't register Under-21s in List A that qualify as club-trained players, as you can submit them as part of List B for free.

My understanding of the eligibility of Newcastle United's current squad :

 

 

Green = Club Trained

Blue = Otherwise locally trained via association

Orange = No special eligibility

 

Conclusion

• Club trained : Only using 2 spots of 4 available which are Sean Longstaff and Joe White, because Miley and Murphy can be submitted in List B as they are under 21 and also club-trained from July 2025.
• Locally trained : 18 senior players in total including John Ruddy and Mark Gillespie. 
• Other : 9 senior players on the books that aren't locally trained players

1. We can register 23 of 25 List A spots available now, with Lewis Miley and Alex Murphy as part of List B and not taking the club-trained spots of List A. 
2. Sean Longstaff and Joe White take 2 of the 4 club-trained spots for over 21s.
3. We have 2 free spots on our List A roster for over-21, club-trained players.

Notable ex-NUFC players we could sign to pad out our CL2025/2026 List A squad to 25 players (updated with @JT24 and @Stottie's suggested players):

1. Elliott Anderson
2. Adam Armstrong
3. James Tavernier
4. Fraser Forster (GK)
5. Freddie Woodman (GK)
6. Jack Alnwick (GK)

 

Notable ex-NUFC players that wouldn't count as club-trained :

1. Tim Kruul (GK) is only 2 of 3 years club-trained at Newcastle United because of his loan to Carlisle (2008-2009), he only completed 2005-2007 as a player registered to play for Newcastle United. So he would not count as club trained (please correct me if I'm mistaken).

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TL;DR

 

1. Sean Longstaff currently would occupy a totally free spot for CL2025/2026 with no impact on preventing any other players at Newcastle United from playing in CL2025/2026.
2. Joe White is in the same situation
3. We have spots for 2 more 'free' club players, we are using 2 of 4 of the over-21, club-trained player spots
4. Lewis Miley and other youth team players occupy List B players and do not have to count to the club-trained player spots of List A
5. I think for 2026-2027 and beyond, Lewis Hall would count as a List B then as he gets old a List A club-trained player in the same category as Sean Longstaff and Joe White (might need someone to do the maths on the date of birth etc. - I've not done it myself yet).

 

Please tell me if I got anything wrong !

Update: Table for the graphically inclined :

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 15:47 by HawK

[gbandit]

Get @Gottlob in here if there’s suggestions we should try re-sign Arma

[HawK]

Oh, and if we re-qualify for CL next year, Lewis Hall would count in List B for us, and once he hits 21, he'll be in the same club-trained category as Sean Longstaff and Joe White.

[Erikse]

Not thrilled about keeping Longstaff, but if Tonali gets injured, wouldn't he be the current best option to fill that role? My guess is that if we buy someone, it would probably be a challenger for Joelintons role. A similar type to Tonali would just be on the bench most of the season, unless ofcourse Tonali gets a longer injury (he doesn't seem prone to them). I think Longstaff will stay unless he wants to go himself, or we get a pretty good bid (the latter being less likely).

 

 

Edited Sunday at 15:19 by Erikse

[JT24]

23 minutes ago, HawK said:

Bear with me, this is my own maths/understanding of the below and may be wrong.

 

https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regulations-of-the-UEFA-Champions-League-2025/26/Article-30-Player-eligibility-Online

 

Definitions as per uefa.com :

 

• Locally trained player - is either a "club-trained player" or an "association-trained player".
• Association-trained player - An "association-trained player" is a player who, between the ages of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of the player's nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs affiliated to the same association as that of the player's current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant domestic championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant domestic championship) or of 36 months.
• Club trained player - is a player who, between the ages of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of the player's nationality and age, has been registered with the player's current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant domestic championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant domestic championship) or of 36 months.

My shorthand interpretation of the above :

• Association trained player is someone trained somewhere within the FA's jurisdiction for 3 years between the ages of 15 and 21 (quantity of loans/abroad can mess this up).
• Club trained player is someone who has trained at the club for 3 years between the ages of 15 and 21 (quantity of loans/abroad can mess this up).
• Locally trained player is someone who fits either of the above rules.

List A as per uefa.com article 31 :

• Max 25 players, of which 8 are reserved exclusively for locally trained players. No more than 4 of the locally trained players can be association trained.
• List A must specify the players who qualify as being "locally trained", as well as whether they are "club-trained" or "association-trained".
• If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players on its List A, the maximum number of players that can be registered on this list is reduced accordingly.

List B as per uefa.com article 31 :

• Unlimited in number
• A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 2004 and has, since his 15th birthday, been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.
• 31.13

Goalkeepers special rules as per uefa.com article 31 : Each club must include at least two goalkeepers on List A and at least three in total (List A and List B combined).

 

My shorthand understanding of all the above

• You submit 2 lists, A and B. You can field any players registered from either list. In theory if you have enough young players your squad could be unlimited in size.
• In List A, you get 17 spots that you can give to absolutely anyone, regardless of nationality, when you signed them etc.
• In List A, you can register up to 4 extra players on top of the 17 above that have trained at some club in England between the ages of 15-21 for 3 years (excluding loans to non-FA clubs, i.e. aborad)
• In List A, you can register a further 4 extra players on top of the 21 we're up to so far that are also club trained, meaning they've trained for 3 years at Newcastle United between 15-21, excluding loans to other clubs (even English-clubs, they have to have trained at Newcastle United as their main registered club for 3 of those years).
• You don't register Under-21s that qualify as club-trained players, as you can submit them as part of List B for free.

My understanding of the eligibility of Newcastle United's current squad :

 

 

Green = Club Trained

Blue = Otherwise locally trained via association

Orange = No special eligibility

 

Conclusion

• Club trained : Only using 2 spots of 4 available which are Sean Longstaff and Joe White, because Miley and Murphy can be submitted in List B as they are under 21 and also club-trained from July 2025.
• Locally trained : 18 senior players in total including John Ruddy and Mark Gillespie. 
• Other : 9 senior players on the books that aren't locally trained players

1. We can register 23 of 25 List A spots available now, with Lewis Miley and Alex Murphy as part of List B and not taking the club-trained spots of List A. 
2. Sean Longstaff and Joe White take 2 of the 4 club-trained spots for over 21s.
3. We have 2 free spots on our List A roster for over-21, club-trained players.

Notable players we could sign to pad out our CL2025/2026 squad to 25 players :

1. Elliott Anderson
2. Adam Armstrong

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TL;DR

 

Sean Longstaff currently would occupy a totally free spot for CL2025/2026 with no impact on preventing any other players at Newcastle United from playing in CL2025/2026.

Joe White is in the same situation

We have spots for 2 more 'free' club players, we are using 2 of 4 of the over-21, club-trained player spots

Lewis Miley and other youth team players occupy List B players and do not have to count to the club-trained player spots of List A

 

Please tell me if I got anything wrong !

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can this post be pinned somewhere? Excellent work. 
 

Throw in a keeper or four to notable signings that could pad club-trained (Forster, Krul, Woodman, Alnwick?). 

[Shak]

15 minutes ago, Erikse said:

Not thtilled about keeping Longstaff, but if Tonali gets injured, wouldn't he be the current best option to fill that role? My guess is that if we buy someone, it would probably be a challenger for Joelintons role. A similar type to Tonali would just be on the bench most of the season, unless ofcourse Tonali gets a longer injury (he doesn't seem prone to them).

 

I think if Tonali missed time we’d possibly see Bruno dropped into the #6 role as he's played there a lot before.

 

I do think there’s a possibility that #6 may be Miley’s best role long term. But it’s a lot on his plate at such a young age.

[Stottie]

5 minutes ago, JT24 said:

Can this post be pinned somewhere? Excellent work. 
 

Throw in a keeper or four to notable signings that could pad club-trained (Forster, Krul, Woodman, Alnwick?). 

Just for fun, instead of just buying keepers, could we sign James Tavernier as club trained and bring him on for free kicks in the final ten minutes?

It sounds like he's made a great career for himself as some kind of Ryan Taylor regen. He's scored over 100 goals from right back!

[HawK]

8 minutes ago, JT24 said:

Can this post be pinned somewhere? Excellent work. 
 

Throw in a keeper or four to notable signings that could pad club-trained (Forster, Krul, Woodman, Alnwick?). 

 

Thanks @JT24 - I updated the list with Keepers