Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 18 hours ago, Nowhere Man said: Has Miggy ever played on the left for a spell? I truly can’t remember. Would have thought it would help with the defensive side of things and surely that left foot would get some balls in the box. Maybe a swap with Gordon? If he has and was shit just ignore me He played on the left early on under Rafa if my memory isn't playing tricks. Basically the same position and role as Kenedy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Karjala said: Miggy has basically had one purple patch in nearly 5 years here, his 8 goals in 9 games last season, and other than that has very little to show. (12 goals in his other 138 games) If every Nufc fan knows he can't kick with his right foot and has to cut inside, then i'm pretty sure every manager does too. 3 chances for Miggy to be the hero on Sunday, and i will give it to him that Allison's save will possibly be the save of the season, and the post is so close, but ultimately none go in. Diaz (albeit a £85m signing) gets 2 chances and scores both, that's the difference. I dont dislike him, and we won't find anyone with more heart, but if we are to progress, he will eventually need to be replaced with better. Yes this is all true but using his output from 2.5 seasons of Bruceball and half a season where Eddie didn't play him skews those stats massively. For what it's worth I don't think he’ll get the same return as last year, but I don't expect him to go another season without scoring either. Not least because as this season has shown so far, we aren't solely attacking down the right this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Man Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 If only there was some additional context to explain this "one purple patch" (like a new manager and new system that plays to his strengths), not like it just randomly happened in a vacuum ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Also scored 3 goals this pre-season. Self confidence and nerves may be playing a part? Hopefully got some psychologist on our team that can help him if thats the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I don’t think he warrants being singled out as he was close to scoring twice and was really unlucky. The thing that surprises me is that we didn’t go for another option on the right in the market. There’s probably a number of reasons why, but the options down that side are pretty weak. However, I guess once Tino is up to speed we might see him come on in games. Actually I wondered if taking Trippier off at times might be the move because I think we’re a bit predictable down that side at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 27/08/2023 at 18:59, Pilko said: He was getting in the positions and making crap decisions or failing to execute the pass properly, someone with more quality would have exploited that. City aren't completely invulnerable. Yet he assisted Bruno with out best chance of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 The stick he gets is massively overstated but we've got a problem if he's playing full matches against the best opposition. He's a very useful starter to keep things tight to then be subbed off for someone with more fret or a sub. Howe recognised this more in the second half of last season so I'm hoping Sunday was related to fitness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 The total lack of a right foot is a major issue and always will be. If you look at Gordon, he can use his weaker foot to provide service into the box. Miggy always cuts back onto his left and teams have wised up to this. It's got to be frustrating for the forwards also, who are making runs to find space when the ball is not coming in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) I thought the stick he was getting post match across socials for Sunday was OTT tbh as he was looking like our most likely source for a second goal. But he is an incredibly limited footballer and lacks serious technical quality; 5 assists and 20 goals in 147 PL appearances with 9 of those 20 goals coming across a 9 game period last season. There's nothing to suggest from the other 138 league appearances he's made for us that he'll repeat that. My God I hope he does as it seems like he's still got that starting spot but I doubt he will. Even away from G&A I think his general play is poor, is far too one footed which ends up hindering attacks. I think a slight mistake was made in giving him that contract in February; I'd have cashed in this summer assuming there would've been takers. His value would never have been higher than it was after last season and he's not getting any younger at 29. Then we'd have been able to use the wriggle room from the funds from the sales of him and ASM for Barnes and someone like Diaby or Nico Williams whom we've been linked with. Do also find it slightly bizarre if Barnes isn't starting soon, otherwise I've no idea why we spent ~£85m on two seemingly LWs in the last 6 months, especially after we sold ASM to finance one of them. Whilst the last recognised RW we signed before Almiron (who came as a #10 really) permanently was Murphy 6 years ago. We've needed an upgrade for a while now imo; I know FFP and that limits what we could do and we could well have went for one if those limitations weren't there but another window has gone by without one. Slow build and all that, I get it, but it's slightly frustrating for me. Edited August 29, 2023 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 FFS how many times, the whole squad was largely pish when Cabbagehead was boss. The squad has turned it around very quickly. I don’t think it’s rocket science to suggest that there are major reasons why multiple players have experienced massive changes in fortune post takeover. For example why are those so sure that the REAL Miggy is the Bruce era one; not expecting Joelinton to revert to the player he was under Bruce? After all there’s two and an half seasons worth of stats to back up that he can't kick a ball. Its the same rationale and evidence ias suggesting that last seasons Miggy was a total fluke. Its not like the whole club, coaching staff and just general level of professionalism has been transformed, since these players MIRACULOUSLY (apparently) experienced upturns in form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: FFS how many times, the whole squad was largely pish when Cabbagehead was boss. The squad has turned it around very quickly. I don’t think it’s rocket science to suggest that there are major reasons why multiple players have experienced massive changes in fortune post takeover. For example why are those so sure that the REAL Miggy is the Bruce era one; not expecting Joelinton to revert to the player he was under Bruce? After all there’s two and an half seasons worth of stats to back up that he can't kick a ball. Its the same rationale and evidence ias suggesting that last seasons Miggy was a total fluke. Its not like the whole club, coaching staff and just general level of professionalism has been transformed, since these players MIRACULOUSLY (apparently) experienced upturns in form. It's a valid point but with Joelinton you could see his development, most could tell he wasn't and out and out striker when Bruce was here fairly quickly. He was never used as such under Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim. With Almiron the issues of lacking real technical quality, missing more chances than he scores, not creating much for his team mates et cetera happened under Benitez, Bruce and now Howe. That got papered over by that scoring run he had last season imo, since then so far in the whole of 2023 he's scored 2 goals and has 1 assist in a front foot side that finished in the top 4 last season. Almiron has improved under Howe as opposed to where he was under Bruce but it boils down to whether if that's enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I dont think many see Almiron as the answer to RW past this window/season do they? We've prioritised LB, CM, LW and (for some reason) RB. Its clear the next time we go 'big' itll be for right winger imo. Almiron presses really well but its clear as day he's technically limited and not really good enough if we want to kick on. His pressing and energy doesnt outweigh his limitations long term. The reason he hasnt gone id say is because we'll have to spend a lot if we want a quality right sided forward who can press, he did well last season and other positions have taken priority. We'll sign a replacement either in January or next summer and he'll either slip down the order or be moved on. As for this season, we can only work with what we've got. He's a big part of the pressing Howe is after but if we're playing a team thats going to sit back and implement low block, I'd have Gordon in for him. Perhaps even Murphy. His pressing is less useful then. But given our next two are Brighton and Brentford, who like to play, he'll start and probably rightly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 9 hours ago, et tu brute said: The total lack of a right foot is a major issue and always will be. If you look at Gordon, he can use his weaker foot to provide service into the box. Miggy always cuts back onto his left and teams have wised up to this. It's got to be frustrating for the forwards also, who are making runs to find space when the ball is not coming in. He takes an age to cut back too. So. Many. Touches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 He’s starting because FFP limits what we can do and our top targets may not have wanted to come. He’s an excellent squad option and I think his pressing should be used as the benchmark for others for at least another season. But a side finishing in the top 4 with him playing RW 2 seasons in a row would be miraculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 4 hours ago, The College Dropout said: He takes an age to cut back too. So. Many. Touches. Yeah, one of the things that's quite glaring with him. Needs too many touches before doing something with the ball a lot of times. Almost like he needs that many touches to feel like he's got the ball under control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 13/08/2023 at 00:51, Disco said: Sources suggesting due to the lack of Paraguay away tops on the Chinese market about I’ve just bought a Cerro Porteño shirt. More as we get it. Arriving tomorrow. Fuck the haters, howay the Miggy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, KaKa said: Yeah, one of the things that's quite glaring with him. Needs too many touches before doing something with the ball a lot of times. Almost like he needs that many touches to feel like he's got the ball under control. Just a lack of technique and ball control. It’s like he can only control and pass the ball with a couple areas on his foot. He tries though init. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Almiron was one of our better players on Sunday. Can't believe he's getting stick. Only a worldie save and a post stopped him bagging two goals. And his tracking back was excellent. I can't remember anyone else really having a shot - Gordon's goal aside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Just a lack of technique and ball control. It’s like he can only control and pass the ball with a couple areas on his foot. He tries though init. He's actually been good the last two games, but just moments of huge frustration as usual. Did really well at one point to beat a Liverpool defender for pace to the by line and just needed to hit it across the post with his right foot, and then came the dreaded turn back onto his left and the opportunity was gone. My heart sank man. Couldn't believe it. Even a mishit with the right in that moment still causes problems. Just hit it with your right foot man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 7 hours ago, KaKa said: He's actually been good the last two games, but just moments of huge frustration as usual. Did really well at one point to beat a Liverpool defender for pace to the by line and just needed to hit it across the post with his right foot, and then came the dreaded turn back onto his left and the opportunity was gone. My heart sank man. Couldn't believe it. Even a mishit with the right in that moment still causes problems. Just hit it with your right foot man. I didn’t think he offered any threat against Liverpool. He did manage to get on the end of some chances but he didn’t score them anyway. If you’re not going to be dangerous in build up - you need to take your chances when they come. I don’t expect him to finish those type of chances anyway. I thought he looked our most dangerous layer against city mind but again just lacking in that crucial element of class and ability. Both offensively and defensively his off the ball work is really good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Must have missed him running from inside his own half with the ball and hitting the post ?♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Was it Maradona who said that his father only gave him one shoe at a time, so that he got good with both feet? Eddie should do that to Almiron in training. When you play football almost every single day of your life, there is no excuse to not use one of the two feet you have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Miggy is a funny one, our best chances come through him and he was unlucky not to score both hitting the post and a worldy of a save. His complete lack of a right foot, the constant cutting back is extremely frustrating and with simply pressure chances to finish teams off I just don’t think he’s clinical enough. He’s a great squad player, brings great energy but as others have said he’s not the answer moving forward at RW. We need someone who scares the big teams and is an ice cool finisher. My other main concern would be Howe just continuing with Miggy RW and not trying to mix it up a bit with say Barnes and Gordon starting and moving Gordon RW or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I didn’t think he offered any threat against Liverpool. He did manage to get on the end of some chances but he didn’t score them anyway. If you’re not going to be dangerous in build up - you need to take your chances when they come. I don’t expect him to finish those type of chances anyway. I thought he looked our most dangerous layer against city mind but again just lacking in that crucial element of class and ability. Both offensively and defensively his off the ball work is really good. Not sure if these posts are parodies or not anymore. Didnt offer any threat? All our players struggled with build up play that game. Almiron atleast got into threatining positions and created some threat by himself aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 By the way how many of our players are really at that top level? When we talk of taking us further, I think of Botman, Tonnali, Bruno and Isak. Trippier too but age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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